Team EnVyUs to reprise their roles from Season 1 and 2 and return to APEX

While I originally reported that Rogue and NRG would attend the second season of OGN's APEX, the situation has changed somewhat during recent times. After Brandon "Seagull" Larned's departure, NRG struggled heavily during the most recent Overwatch Monthly Melee, leading many to speculate that the invite would soon be rescinded.

In reality, Team EnVyUs is attending APEX entirely of their own volition. The team originally planned to rest for Season 3 in America, and was slated to participate in the Overwatch Rumble announced late last month. Despite OGN's sending out an invite to the team, they were quite vocal about needing rest after two successive playoff runs took their toll.

However, sources close to the team indicate that they went through many discussions and came to the conclusion that attending Season 3 of APEX was the best course of action. The decision most likely comes from the perception that Korea is the best practice environment, a notion that both eUnited and Laser Kittenz seem to agree with given their announced upcoming bootcamps.

NRG's spot in the story is currently unclear. Presumably, the team will not attend APEX at all and remain in America to work on their synergy before continuing to compete in events. Should they remain, they will participate in the Overwatch Rumble qualifiers as they had originally announced, though their stand-in is currently unconfirmed. While Mendokusaii slated in for the Overwatch Monthly Melee, he is only with the team on a trial basis as a loan from Cloud9's Jack.

The news likely comes as a welcome surprise to the community who have made their distaste for NRG's invite all too clear. Team EnVyUs managed a seventh-place finish despite struggling during Season 2, but will look to build on that performance for Season 3.

Rogue confirmed their APEX spot on Twitter yesterday, and will be flying out shortly when the next season is announced. They previously participated in the Overwatch Monthly Melee where they took first against Selfless, and hold the titles of the last three Overwatch Monthly Melees under their belts.

Update: Team EnVyUs has confirmed their attendance for APEX's third season via Twitter.

#1
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So who do you guys think will be their new 7th? I'm assuming it will be korean

So who do you guys think will be their new 7th? I'm assuming it will be korean
#2
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not sure if I can trust a harsha report anymore :thinking:

not sure if I can trust a harsha report anymore :thinking:
#3
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ROOTING FOR MY BOY TOXIN WINZ IN TEAM ROGUE

LETS GO BAGUET

ROOTING FOR MY BOY TOXIN WINZ IN TEAM ROGUE

LETS GO BAGUET
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Have they even scrimmed since getting destroyed at the last one? Understandable you have to withdraw NRG's offer if no Seagull but surely you pick a team who've actually played and earned it like Selfless.

Have they even scrimmed since getting destroyed at the last one? Understandable you have to withdraw NRG's offer if no Seagull but surely you pick a team who've actually played and earned it like Selfless.
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fraacHave they even scrimmed since losing at the last one? Understandable you have to withdraw NRG's offer if no Seagull but surely you pick a team who've actually played and earned it like Selfless.

read the report mate

[quote=fraac]Have they even scrimmed since losing at the last one? Understandable you have to withdraw NRG's offer if no Seagull but surely you pick a team who've actually played and earned it like Selfless.[/quote]
read the report mate
#6
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It doesn't really address my question, harsha.

It doesn't really address my question, harsha.
#7
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shutupericSo who do you guys think will be their new 7th? I'm assuming it will be korean

Seagull Kappa

[quote=shutuperic]So who do you guys think will be their new 7th? I'm assuming it will be korean[/quote]
Seagull Kappa
#8
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harshafraacHave they even scrimmed since losing at the last one? Understandable you have to withdraw NRG's offer if no Seagull but surely you pick a team who've actually played and earned it like Selfless.read the report mate

they did not retract NRG's invitation, EnVy accepted one that was on the table before

NRG will not attend because they were the third choice

[quote=harsha][quote=fraac]Have they even scrimmed since losing at the last one? Understandable you have to withdraw NRG's offer if no Seagull but surely you pick a team who've actually played and earned it like Selfless.[/quote]
read the report mate[/quote]
they did not retract NRG's invitation, EnVy accepted one that was on the table before

NRG will not attend because they were the third choice
#9
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Ah, that's interesting. Although my question was have they even played since the last one. I'd rather see a team invited who have shown strong form, if we're only having two Western teams.

Ah, that's interesting. Although my question was have they even played since the last one. I'd rather see a team invited who have shown strong form, if we're only having two Western teams.
#10
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Admirablenot sure if I can trust a harsha report anymore :thinking:

He's a DPRK Sphee.

[quote=Admirable]not sure if I can trust a harsha report anymore :thinking:[/quote]

He's a DPRK Sphee.
#11
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Do you know if Rogue and Envy will still be participating in overwatch rumble?

Do you know if Rogue and Envy will still be participating in overwatch rumble?
#12
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fraacHave they even scrimmed since getting destroyed at the last one? Understandable you have to withdraw NRG's offer if no Seagull but surely you pick a team who've actually played and earned it like Selfless.

How has Selfless earned it? They've won only a minor and weeklies against 2nd tier teams and perfomed "ok" in Pit cup.

[quote=fraac]Have they even scrimmed since getting destroyed at the last one? Understandable you have to withdraw NRG's offer if no Seagull but surely you pick a team who've actually played and earned it like Selfless.[/quote]

How has Selfless earned it? They've won only a minor and weeklies against 2nd tier teams and perfomed "ok" in Pit cup.
#13
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tmunnie21Do you know if Rogue and Envy will still be participating in overwatch rumble?

that's what i'm wondering. was insanely hyped for rumble just to establish how NA teams actually stack up to each other

DiakkofraacHave they even scrimmed since getting destroyed at the last one? Understandable you have to withdraw NRG's offer if no Seagull but surely you pick a team who've actually played and earned it like Selfless.
How has Selfless earned it? They've won only a minor and weeklies against 2nd tier teams and perfomed "ok" in Pit cup.

lol wat

[quote=tmunnie21]Do you know if Rogue and Envy will still be participating in overwatch rumble?[/quote]
that's what i'm wondering. was insanely hyped for rumble just to establish how NA teams actually stack up to each other


[quote=Diakko][quote=fraac]Have they even scrimmed since getting destroyed at the last one? Understandable you have to withdraw NRG's offer if no Seagull but surely you pick a team who've actually played and earned it like Selfless.[/quote]

How has Selfless earned it? They've won only a minor and weeklies against 2nd tier teams and perfomed "ok" in Pit cup.[/quote]
lol wat
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#12, well I saw someone (Reinforce?) saying that unsigned European teams would be among the top in NA, but we just don't have any ability to know that. All we have are results, and results say that Rogue and Selfless are clearly very good. We have one tournament of results from Europe, which isn't enough to judge.

If they're going for a LAN-proven team, I'd prefer Faze to Envy. How often will we get to see Mike and Shadowburn on LAN ping before Blizzard's league?

#12, well I saw someone (Reinforce?) saying that unsigned European teams would be among the top in NA, but we just don't have any ability to know that. All we have are results, and results say that Rogue and Selfless are clearly very good. We have one tournament of results from Europe, which isn't enough to judge.

If they're going for a LAN-proven team, I'd prefer Faze to Envy. How often will we get to see Mike and Shadowburn on LAN ping before Blizzard's league?
#15
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Am I the only one who finds it pretty boring seeing Envy for the third time?

Am I the only one who finds it pretty boring seeing Envy for the third time?
#16
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TaichiAm I the only one who finds it pretty boring seeing Envy for the third time?

You're probably not the only one but I can't see myself why it's boring.

Season 1 they finished first place. Season 2 on a different patch as well as coming out of an NA lan win they come 5th-8th?

This season its sort of a comeback story, can they perform at the season 1 level or crumble again. Way more exciting than seeing some other random team we can't judge off previous results playing. We already get that with Rogue to see if they truly are the up and coming number 1 team of OW.

[quote=Taichi]Am I the only one who finds it pretty boring seeing Envy for the third time?[/quote]

You're probably not the only one but I can't see myself why it's boring.

Season 1 they finished first place. Season 2 on a different patch as well as coming out of an NA lan win they come 5th-8th?

This season its sort of a comeback story, can they perform at the season 1 level or crumble again. Way more exciting than seeing some other random team we can't judge off previous results playing. We already get that with Rogue to see if they truly are the up and coming number 1 team of OW.
#17
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DiakkofraacHave they even scrimmed since getting destroyed at the last one? Understandable you have to withdraw NRG's offer if no Seagull but surely you pick a team who've actually played and earned it like Selfless.
How has Selfless earned it? They've won only a minor and weeklies against 2nd tier teams and perfomed "ok" in Pit cup.

Selfless has earned it more so than NRG did, if that's what you're asking, which is the whole reason why people are so irked about NRG getting the invite over teams like Selfless and Immortals and LG Evil. They're definitely more proven.

I really wanna see how Envyus fares against NA teams, and whether not they'll dominate the regional competition, they've been away for so long the last time they were home Talespin was still on the team :(

[quote=Diakko][quote=fraac]Have they even scrimmed since getting destroyed at the last one? Understandable you have to withdraw NRG's offer if no Seagull but surely you pick a team who've actually played and earned it like Selfless.[/quote]

How has Selfless earned it? They've won only a minor and weeklies against 2nd tier teams and perfomed "ok" in Pit cup.[/quote]

Selfless has earned it more so than NRG did, if that's what you're asking, which is the whole reason why people are so irked about NRG getting the invite over teams like Selfless and Immortals and LG Evil. They're definitely more proven.

I really wanna see how Envyus fares against NA teams, and whether not they'll dominate the regional competition, they've been away for so long the last time they were home Talespin was still on the team :(
#18
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Envy probably got an auto invite because they made playoffs of last APEX. All the other teams that made playoffs have secured spots in APEX so it makes sense to do the same with western teams.

Envy probably got an auto invite because they made playoffs of last APEX. All the other teams that made playoffs have secured spots in APEX so it makes sense to do the same with western teams.
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I don't think the relegation/promotion stuff applies to invited non-Korean teams. Most likely they were going to invite NRG until Seagull left, and now they're using this story as cover.

I don't think the relegation/promotion stuff applies to invited non-Korean teams. Most likely they were going to invite NRG until Seagull left, and now they're using this story as cover.
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nv got invited before they made the offer to NRG, but they initially declined.

fraacI don't think the relegation/promotion stuff applies to invited non-Korean teams. Most likely they were going to invite NRG until Seagull left, and now they're using this story as cover.
nv got invited before they made the offer to NRG, but they initially declined. [quote=fraac]I don't think the relegation/promotion stuff applies to invited non-Korean teams. Most likely they were going to invite NRG until Seagull left, and now they're using this story as cover.[/quote]
#21
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TomuTaichiAm I the only one who finds it pretty boring seeing Envy for the third time?
You're probably not the only one but I can't see myself why it's boring.

Season 1 they finished first place. Season 2 on a different patch as well as coming out of an NA lan win they come 5th-8th?

This season its sort of a comeback story, can they perform at the season 1 level or crumble again. Way more exciting than seeing some other random team we can't judge off previous results playing. We already get that with Rogue to see if they truly are the up and coming number 1 team of OW.

yeah i get that. but i would find it more interesting to see other teams playing against koreans. and i would be really interested to see envy finally compete again against NA teams

[quote=Tomu][quote=Taichi]Am I the only one who finds it pretty boring seeing Envy for the third time?[/quote]

You're probably not the only one but I can't see myself why it's boring.

Season 1 they finished first place. Season 2 on a different patch as well as coming out of an NA lan win they come 5th-8th?

This season its sort of a comeback story, can they perform at the season 1 level or crumble again. Way more exciting than seeing some other random team we can't judge off previous results playing. We already get that with Rogue to see if they truly are the up and coming number 1 team of OW.[/quote]

yeah i get that. but i would find it more interesting to see other teams playing against koreans. and i would be really interested to see envy finally compete again against NA teams
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#20 They could invite anyone once they decided NRG weren't up to it. Invitations don't "reactivate", unless Korean society works even more differently than I imagine.

#20 They could invite anyone once they decided NRG weren't up to it. Invitations don't "reactivate", unless Korean society works even more differently than I imagine.
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fraac#20 They could invite anyone once they decided NRG weren't up to it. Invitations don't "reactivate", unless Korean society works even more differently than I imagine.

i mean i don't know what you're going on about at this point, envy received an invitation several weeks ago and nrg was the third option after immortals

[quote=fraac]#20 They could invite anyone once they decided NRG weren't up to it. Invitations don't "reactivate", unless Korean society works even more differently than I imagine.[/quote]
i mean i don't know what you're going on about at this point, envy received an invitation several weeks ago and nrg was the third option after immortals
#24
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Do you have a source for that?

Do you have a source for that?
#25
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i have numerous

i have numerous
#26
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surprised after NV said they will not go, citing a break, being away from home for so long etc etc etc
hope theres some bonus $$$ for the NV boys to go back to KR for another 3 months. GL to them.

surprised after NV said they will not go, citing a break, being away from home for so long etc etc etc
hope theres some bonus $$$ for the NV boys to go back to KR for another 3 months. GL to them.
#27
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Harsha, if you're keeping your sources anonymous then the story isn't worth much. Why did Immortals turn it down?

Harsha, if you're keeping your sources anonymous then the story isn't worth much. Why did Immortals turn it down?
#28
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Anyone else sad East Wind isn't going to apex :(

Anyone else sad East Wind isn't going to apex :(
#29
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u mean third season? in first sentence? LUL

u mean third season? in first sentence? LUL
#30
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Did NRG turn down the offer or was it revoked? Immortals turned it down to rest players, apparently. Then it goes to NRG, who drop Seagull, and what happened next? Does anyone here know?

Did NRG turn down the offer or was it revoked? Immortals turned it down to rest players, apparently. Then it goes to NRG, who drop Seagull, and what happened next? Does anyone here know?
#31
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If I have this straight:
-rogue and envy invited
-envy decline
-imt invited?
-imt decline
-nrg invited
-nrg yes
-envy yes so nrg no

If I have this straight:
-rogue and envy invited
-envy decline
-imt invited?
-imt decline
-nrg invited
-nrg yes
-envy yes so nrg no
#32
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Maybe I just struggle with that because from a British point of view it looks rude.

Maybe I just struggle with that because from a British point of view it looks rude.
#33
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NRG did not officially accept. They were invited but they did not accept afaik. Envy accepted their invitation first so they get to go ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

NRG did not officially accept. They were invited but they did not accept afaik. Envy accepted their invitation first so they get to go ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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fraacMaybe I just struggle with that because from a British point of view it looks rude.

Well yeah. They bassically said you are our 3rd option so bear with it. First option changed their mind. Sorry about that. We will contact you if anything changes again.

[quote=fraac]Maybe I just struggle with that because from a British point of view it looks rude.[/quote]
Well yeah. They bassically said you are our 3rd option so bear with it. First option changed their mind. Sorry about that. We will contact you if anything changes again.
#35
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Wonder why that wasn't mentioned when "Sources close to the OGN's production staff and both Rogue and NRG indicate that the two teams have received offers to attend APEX Season 3". That's multiple sources hiding a key piece of information.

NRG must have said "We're not sure" then APEX said "Envy have changed their mind, shall we just use them?" and NRG said "Okay."

I don't buy NRG saying "Waaiiit..." and APEX saying "Too slow!"

But then why was it leaked/released that NRG were invited but not Immortals until Immortals had declined?

And do we know why Envy changed their minds?

Also this line from the previous article: "Trips to APEX are seen as a rare chance that must be earned." - someone thought Envy earned one of the top two spots? Do Koreans not watch NA Overwatch?

Wonder why that wasn't mentioned when "Sources close to the OGN's production staff and both Rogue and NRG indicate that the two teams have received offers to attend APEX Season 3". That's multiple sources hiding a key piece of information.

NRG must have said "We're not sure" then APEX said "Envy have changed their mind, shall we just use them?" and NRG said "Okay."

I don't buy NRG saying "Waaiiit..." and APEX saying "Too slow!"

But then why was it leaked/released that NRG were invited but not Immortals until Immortals had declined?

And do we know why Envy changed their minds?

Also this line from the previous article: "Trips to APEX are seen as a rare chance that must be earned." - someone thought Envy earned one of the top two spots? Do Koreans not watch NA Overwatch?
#36
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Reminder: Apex can invite whatever team for whatever reason they want.

Reminder: Apex can invite whatever team for whatever reason they want.
#37
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Yes but what actually happened? over.gg doesn't work for APEX. If NRG had their invitation revoked it's an esports story. (harsha I've said this before: if your articles used quotes instead of anonymous sources, they would much closer resemble journalism)

Yes but what actually happened? over.gg doesn't work for APEX. If NRG had their invitation revoked it's an esports story. (harsha I've said this before: if your articles used quotes instead of anonymous sources, they would much closer resemble journalism)
#38
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https://twitter.com/TeamEnVyUs/status/854529055508574209

its official

https://twitter.com/TeamEnVyUs/status/854529055508574209

its official
#39
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fraac at this rate you'll lose your third of a nerd star to harsha. is this the decision you want to make?

fraac at this rate you'll lose your third of a nerd star to harsha. is this the decision you want to make?
#40
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fraacYes but what actually happened? over.gg doesn't work for APEX. If NRG had their invitation revoked it's an esports story. (harsha I've said this before: if your articles used quotes instead of anonymous sources, they would much closer resemble journalism)

Thank you for the advice, I'll take it into consideration :)!

[quote=fraac]Yes but what actually happened? over.gg doesn't work for APEX. If NRG had their invitation revoked it's an esports story. (harsha I've said this before: if your articles used quotes instead of anonymous sources, they would much closer resemble journalism)[/quote]
Thank you for the advice, I'll take it into consideration :)!
#41
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Let me entertain. Quotes don't make anything closer to journalism. Anonymous / protected sources are common practice in journalism. Your notepad can be the source and it's perfectly fine as long as it's reasonably backed up. You don't have to disclose your source if your source doesn't want to be known.

I think Harsha has made it very clear in his articles the nature of his sources which he does not directly name.

Let me entertain. Quotes don't make anything closer to journalism. Anonymous / protected sources are common practice in journalism. Your notepad can be the source and it's perfectly fine as long as it's reasonably backed up. You don't have to disclose your source if your source doesn't want to be known.

I think Harsha has made it very clear in his articles the nature of his sources which he does not directly name.
#42
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>caring about nV in 2017
who else wants to see blank at apex?

>caring about nV in 2017
who else wants to see blank at apex?
#43
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fraacYes but what actually happened? over.gg doesn't work for APEX. If NRG had their invitation revoked it's an esports story. (harsha I've said this before: if your articles used quotes instead of anonymous sources, they would much closer resemble journalism)

As sandshrewz said, a journalist doesn't have to give its source, Wth, nobody would leak anything anymore if it were the case.

And also why would apex care if they're rude, it's business, they won't pass up on money just for NRG's feelings. Also they don't have seagulls image to sell to the Korean fans anymore so they probably know they're not as hot as before business-wise

[quote=fraac]Yes but what actually happened? over.gg doesn't work for APEX. If NRG had their invitation revoked it's an esports story. (harsha I've said this before: if your articles used quotes instead of anonymous sources, they would much closer resemble journalism)[/quote]

As sandshrewz said, a journalist doesn't have to give its source, Wth, nobody would leak anything anymore if it were the case.

And also why would apex care if they're rude, it's business, they won't pass up on money just for NRG's feelings. Also they don't have seagulls image to sell to the Korean fans anymore so they probably know they're not as hot as before business-wise
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harshafraacYes but what actually happened? over.gg doesn't work for APEX. If NRG had their invitation revoked it's an esports story. (harsha I've said this before: if your articles used quotes instead of anonymous sources, they would much closer resemble journalism)Thank you for the advice, I'll take it into consideration :)!

I trusted you :'(

[quote=harsha][quote=fraac]Yes but what actually happened? over.gg doesn't work for APEX. If NRG had their invitation revoked it's an esports story. (harsha I've said this before: if your articles used quotes instead of anonymous sources, they would much closer resemble journalism)[/quote]
Thank you for the advice, I'll take it into consideration :)![/quote]

I trusted you :'(
#45
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#43 An article without quotes that supports the organisation isn't journalism, it's a press release. Someone is manipulating harsha into uncritically issuing press releases. This one appears not to be true. Once you decline an offer, and it gets offered to two other people, you have to be re-offered it before you can accept.

"In reality, Team EnVyUs is attending APEX entirely of their own volition."

That's very bold. Prove it.

#43 An article without quotes that supports the organisation isn't journalism, it's a press release. Someone is manipulating harsha into uncritically issuing press releases. This one appears not to be true. Once you decline an offer, and it gets offered to two other people, you have to be re-offered it before you can accept.

"In reality, Team EnVyUs is attending APEX entirely of their own volition."

That's very bold. Prove it.
#46
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Whether people like it or not, EnVyUs is the most qualified team to participate from EU/NA. As much as I like East Wind, Selfless, and Immortals, I still think they're a bit away from competing with the likes of LH, Runaway, the Kongdoo's and Meta Athena.

Not exactly hyped about this since EnVyUs has begun to bore me with how they haven't adapted to a changing meta.

Whether people like it or not, EnVyUs is the most qualified team to participate from EU/NA. As much as I like East Wind, Selfless, and Immortals, I still think they're a bit away from competing with the likes of LH, Runaway, the Kongdoo's and Meta Athena.

Not exactly hyped about this since EnVyUs has begun to bore me with how they haven't adapted to a changing meta.
#47
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#46 I dont disagree with you that they are qualified but as it stands its been months since we've seen them play an na team. For all we know selfless/rogue/immortals are leagues ahead of them but we may never find out because they're always going to be in Korea.

#46 I dont disagree with you that they are [i]qualified[/i] but as it stands its been months since we've seen them play an na team. For all we know selfless/rogue/immortals are leagues ahead of them but we may never find out because they're always going to be in Korea.
#48
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fraac#43 An article without quotes that supports the organisation isn't journalism, it's a press release. Someone is manipulating harsha into uncritically issuing press releases. This one appears not to be true. Once you decline an offer, and it gets offered to two other people, you have to be re-offered it before you can accept.

"In reality, Team EnVyUs is attending APEX entirely of their own volition."

That's very bold. Prove it.

https://twitter.com/TeamEnVyUs/status/854529055508574209

[quote=fraac]#43 An article without quotes that supports the organisation isn't journalism, it's a press release. Someone is manipulating harsha into uncritically issuing press releases. This one appears not to be true. Once you decline an offer, and it gets offered to two other people, you have to be re-offered it before you can accept.

"In reality, Team EnVyUs is attending APEX entirely of their own volition."

That's very bold. Prove it.[/quote]
https://twitter.com/TeamEnVyUs/status/854529055508574209
#49
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He meant in contrast to "leading many to speculate that the invite would soon be rescinded". But why should we believe him without any quotes? "In reality..." oh okay, thanks.

He meant in contrast to "leading many to speculate that the invite would soon be rescinded". But why should we believe him without any quotes? "In reality..." oh okay, thanks.
#50
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fraacHe meant in contrast to "leading many to speculate that the invite would soon be rescinded". But why should we believe him without any quotes? "In reality..." oh okay, thanks.

"leading many to speculate that the invite would soon be rescinded" doesn't need quotes because it is a broad statement that can be observed. With people on these forums, Twitch chat, and Twitter saying things like "OGN on suicide watch", jokingly saying "x team deserves to go to Korea" because they beat NRG, and other such things, people were at the very least implying it should be rescinded. It's safe to say that if you think something should be the case, you're going to speculate that the very same thing might be the case, much like you're currently doing. It shouldn't matter if he has a direct source for this, what matters is if he has a source for Envy deciding to go, and he does, albeit anonymous. While anonymous sources aren't preferred, you have to respect your source if they want to be anonymous or else they'll never share this information again. Obviously this source can be trusted, as within 24 hours Envy tweeted they were going to participate in season 3. The fact that he references the source and doesn't directly quote them doesn't make a difference because a quote can be fabricated as easily as a source. The only thing harsha claimed to be factually true was that Envy is going to Korea, the rest is background and presumptions, which should be clear to an informed and critically thinking reader.

You're saying that Envy can't just accept an invite they've already declined because it goes against your values and how you believe invites should work. OGN doesn't have to share those values and follow that line of thinking. By Korean standards, finishing top 8 in APEX makes a team qualified for the next one, which Envy has done twice and NRG failed to do their only time attending APEX. You're fighting the writing and article as a whole because you don't agree with the contents of it, and it's a losing battle.

[quote=fraac]He meant in contrast to "leading many to speculate that the invite would soon be rescinded". But why should we believe him without any quotes? "In reality..." oh okay, thanks.[/quote]
"leading many to speculate that the invite would soon be rescinded" doesn't need quotes because it is a broad statement that can be observed. With people on these forums, Twitch chat, and Twitter saying things like "OGN on suicide watch", jokingly saying "x team deserves to go to Korea" because they beat NRG, and other such things, people were at the very least implying it should be rescinded. It's safe to say that if you think something should be the case, you're going to speculate that the very same thing might be the case, much like you're currently doing. It shouldn't matter if he has a direct source for this, what matters is if he has a source for Envy deciding to go, and he does, albeit anonymous. While anonymous sources aren't preferred, you have to respect your source if they want to be anonymous or else they'll never share this information again. Obviously this source can be trusted, as within 24 hours Envy tweeted they were going to participate in season 3. The fact that he references the source and doesn't directly quote them doesn't make a difference because a quote can be fabricated as easily as a source. The only thing harsha claimed to be factually true was that Envy is going to Korea, the rest is background and presumptions, which should be clear to an informed and critically thinking reader.

You're saying that Envy can't just accept an invite they've already declined because it goes against your values and how you believe invites should work. OGN doesn't have to share those values and follow that line of thinking. By Korean standards, finishing top 8 in APEX makes a team qualified for the next one, which Envy has done twice and NRG failed to do their only time attending APEX. You're fighting the writing and article as a whole because you don't agree with the contents of it, and it's a losing battle.
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