Reports indicate that Rogue and NRG will be the next teams shipped to Korea

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Sources close to the OGN's production staff and both Rogue and NRG indicate that the two teams have received offers to attend APEX Season 3. The announcement comes in light of Season 2's conclusion, where Lunatic-Hai came back to defeat underdogs RunAway after falling to a 3-1 deficit.

Many previously noted that Immortals would partake in the competition, but signs of burnout are keeping the roster in America for the foreseeable future, as the team wants to focus on player health first.

A few professionals with knowledge of the situation have taken umbrage with the decision, especially given NRG's lack of experience in high level play. The team has not yet played in an official tournament match since signing top players iddqd, Ajax, and harbleu. An opportunity to compete in Korea is seen as an incredible honor, and teams regard this opportunity as one of the best in Overwatch. Trips to APEX are seen as a rare chance that must be earned.

Despite eUnited's large fan base when it comes to Korea, the team is reportedly uninvited, and only will travel to Korea for bootcamp purposes. Laser Kittenz will travel as well under the same circumstances, with no intention to actually participate in this season of APEX. As noted some time ago, manager Alicus plans to set the team up with a strong supporting staff and improve the team's cohesion in an incredibly competitive environment.

Some worry that the best teams will all be missing from the west in light of these announcements, further weakening the scene and the practice environment for players. Unfortunately, there is no work-around should the west hope to perform well at APEX.

We reached out to both Rogue and NRG for comments. Rogue has not yet responded, while NRG president Brettbox stated that he has no knowledge of the situation but would be thrilled to attend APEX.

#1
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NRG? With no tournament showing? :thunking:

NRG? With no tournament showing? :thunking:
#2
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seems like the fangirls have infiltrated OGN management?

seems like the fangirls have infiltrated OGN management?
#3
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BrenNRG? With no tournament showing? :thunking:

They are there because of their/seagulls popularity but it really sucks that they get to go while misfits don't -
https://twitter.com/alicusofficial/status/851725233031716864

[quote=Bren]NRG? With no tournament showing? :thunking:[/quote]
They are there because of their/seagulls popularity but it really sucks that they get to go while misfits don't -
https://twitter.com/alicusofficial/status/851725233031716864
#4
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NRG are the Harlem Globetrotters. You just invite them. Shame Selfless weren't invited, them and Rogue have earned it with results.

NRG are the Harlem Globetrotters. You just invite them. Shame Selfless weren't invited, them and Rogue have earned it with results.
#5
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as hyped as i am for NRG, doesn't seem right to invite them over proven teams such as selfless (who harbleu has indicated NRG is struggling in scrims with). disappointing to not see the best proven teams from the west representing the west.

as hyped as i am for NRG, doesn't seem right to invite them over proven teams such as selfless (who harbleu has indicated NRG is struggling in scrims with). disappointing to not see the best proven teams from the west representing the west.
#6
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fraacNRG are the Harlem Globetrotters. You just invite them.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/993/875/084.png

[quote=fraac]NRG are the Harlem Globetrotters. You just invite them.[/quote]
[img]http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/993/875/084.png[/img]
#7
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I share the sentiments about the possibility of an NRG invite but from a business sense, I think OGN wants more people from the West to see their product, what better way then to reinvite one of, if not the most popular OW figures? That added with all the current hype surrounding them, means even more eyes will be on Korean OW.
Additionally, I think, APEX season 3 may turn into a Korean showcase for potential OWL buyers. With the recent Korean imports from C9 and the rumored moves from TSM, a lot of orgs might be looking at this season with a bit more vested interest, though it is unknown if any more moves will go through in time for OWL

I share the sentiments about the possibility of an NRG invite but from a business sense, I think OGN wants more people from the West to see their product, what better way then to reinvite one of, if not the most popular OW figures? That added with all the current hype surrounding them, means even more eyes will be on Korean OW.
Additionally, I think, APEX season 3 may turn into a Korean showcase for potential OWL buyers. With the recent Korean imports from C9 and the rumored moves from TSM, a lot of orgs might be looking at this season with a bit more vested interest, though it is unknown if any more moves will go through in time for OWL
#8
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Who's ready for the all-Korean playoffs?

Who's ready for the all-Korean playoffs?
#9
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MikoWho's ready for the all-Korean playoffs?

Rogue is a contender for best team in the world so unlikely.

But with these Lucio changes, idk anymore.

[quote=Miko]Who's ready for the all-Korean playoffs?[/quote]

Rogue is a contender for best team in the world so unlikely.

But with these Lucio changes, idk anymore.
#10
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You guys are being too hard on NRG lol

Sometimes you get invited based on the hype around the team, its esports, that happens. Sure the squad itself hasn't had any showings but it's not like its a bunch of randoms.

You guys are being too hard on NRG lol

Sometimes you get invited based on the hype around the team, its esports, that happens. Sure the squad itself hasn't had any showings but it's not like its a bunch of randoms.
#11
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GuineaYou guys are being too hard on NRG lol

Sometimes you get invited based on the hype around the team, its esports, that happens. Sure the squad itself hasn't had any showings but it's not like its a bunch of randoms.

Yeah it's not like there were better, proven teams they could have invited

[quote=Guinea]You guys are being too hard on NRG lol

Sometimes you get invited based on the hype around the team, its esports, that happens. Sure the squad itself hasn't had any showings but it's not like its a bunch of randoms.[/quote]
Yeah it's not like there were better, proven teams they could have invited
#12
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FrozenJackalI share the sentiments about the possibility of an NRG invite but from a business sense, I think OGN wants more people from the West to see their product, what better way then to reinvite one of, if not the most popular OW figures? That added with all the current hype surrounding them, means even more eyes will be on Korean OW.
Additionally, I think, APEX season 3 may turn into a Korean showcase for potential OWL buyers. With the recent Korean imports from C9 and the rumored moves from TSM, a lot of orgs might be looking at this season with a bit more vested interest, though it is unknown if any more moves will go through in time for OWL

Exactly, OGN wants to make money, NRG means more viewers, more viewers means more advertising money. Rocket science this is not.

[quote=FrozenJackal]I share the sentiments about the possibility of an NRG invite but from a business sense, I think OGN wants more people from the West to see their product, what better way then to reinvite one of, if not the most popular OW figures? That added with all the current hype surrounding them, means even more eyes will be on Korean OW.
Additionally, I think, APEX season 3 may turn into a Korean showcase for potential OWL buyers. With the recent Korean imports from C9 and the rumored moves from TSM, a lot of orgs might be looking at this season with a bit more vested interest, though it is unknown if any more moves will go through in time for OWL[/quote]

Exactly, OGN wants to make money, NRG means more viewers, more viewers means more advertising money. Rocket science this is not.
#13
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Kinda show instead of sports but whatevs.

Kinda show instead of sports but whatevs.
#14
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AvastMikoWho's ready for the all-Korean playoffs?
Rogue is a contender for best team in the world so unlikely.

a contender for best team in the world, based off of their results versus NA teams? i'm a Rogue fan don't get me wrong, but there's not much of a basis for that.
hard to estimate how a team will do without seeing them play in proportion to other nations

[quote=Avast][quote=Miko]Who's ready for the all-Korean playoffs?[/quote]

Rogue is a contender for best team in the world so unlikely.[/quote]
a contender for best team in the world, based off of their results versus NA teams? i'm a Rogue fan don't get me wrong, but there's not much of a basis for that.
hard to estimate how a team will do without seeing them play in proportion to other nations
#15
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twerpAvastMikoWho's ready for the all-Korean playoffs?
Rogue is a contender for best team in the world so unlikely.
a contender for best team in the world, based off of their results versus NA teams? i'm a Rogue fan don't get me wrong, but there's not much of a basis for that.
hard to estimate how a team will do without seeing them play in proportion to other nations

Yeah I assure you its not just that.

[quote=twerp][quote=Avast][quote=Miko]Who's ready for the all-Korean playoffs?[/quote]

Rogue is a contender for best team in the world so unlikely.[/quote]
a contender for best team in the world, based off of their results versus NA teams? i'm a Rogue fan don't get me wrong, but there's not much of a basis for that.
hard to estimate how a team will do without seeing them play in proportion to other nations[/quote]

Yeah I assure you its not just that.
#16
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Usually I'd agree that stomping on shitter NA teams does not show a good team.

But NA has been looking good recently - strong teams like LG Evil, Immortals, Selfless have all shown their cohesion and talent... and then been beaten with consistency by Rogue. Even just watching them play, you can see their coordination and individual level is sick. Problems may come when the inevitable patch hits, so I can see them not making playoffs vs the level of Korean teams, but they are definitely a worldclass team imo.

Usually I'd agree that stomping on shitter NA teams does not show a good team.

But NA has been looking good recently - strong teams like LG Evil, Immortals, Selfless have all shown their cohesion and talent... and then been beaten with consistency by Rogue. Even just watching them play, you can see their coordination and individual level is sick. Problems may come when the inevitable patch hits, so I can see them not making playoffs vs the level of Korean teams, but they are definitely a worldclass team imo.
#17
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NRG = just a bunch of benched/popular streamers players such as iddqd (benched) harbleu ( benched) seagull (popular youtuber). They have stricly never proved anything in tournaments.

There is tons of superior teams like Selfless, immortals, Misfits.. But they decide to invite the most overrated team = NRG...

NRG = just a bunch of benched/popular streamers players such as iddqd (benched) harbleu ( benched) seagull (popular youtuber). They have stricly never proved anything in tournaments.

There is tons of superior teams like Selfless, immortals, Misfits.. But they decide to invite the most overrated team = NRG...
#18
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harbleu left his previous team willingly and all 3 of those examples have proven themselves as standout individual players in tournaments. iddqd wasn't cut because of his skill. i agree there are more proven teams to invite but just sounds like you're mindlessly hating on players for being popular.

harbleu left his previous team willingly and all 3 of those examples have proven themselves as standout individual players in tournaments. iddqd wasn't cut because of his skill. i agree there are more proven teams to invite but just sounds like you're mindlessly hating on players for being popular.
#19
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I hope Overwatch eSports oneday becomes popular enough that you dont need a streamer team to get viewers.... Not saying NRG are bad or anything, but its kind of disappointing they get invited over teams that have actually proven themselves to be able to compete for #1 in the world when we haven't even seen them play yet....

I hope Overwatch eSports oneday becomes popular enough that you dont need a streamer team to get viewers.... Not saying NRG are bad or anything, but its kind of disappointing they get invited over teams that have actually proven themselves to be able to compete for #1 in the world when we haven't even seen them play yet....
#20
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ZakizakiNRG = just a bunch of benched/popular streamers players such as iddqd (benched) harbleu ( benched) seagull (popular youtuber). They have stricly never proved anything in tournaments.

There is tons of superior teams like Selfless, immortals, Misfits.. But they decide to invite the most overrated team = NRG...

iddqd (stepped down) harbleu (stepped down) seagull (player who happens to have a youtube following) each have proved themselves on their own, thats why I dont think its as ridiculous as people act

Yes there was BETTER CHOICES, no shit, but that doesnt mean its a BAD choice. They are all experienced players on a new team. Some of you guys are being really dumb about this

pendaGuineaYou guys are being too hard on NRG lol

Sometimes you get invited based on the hype around the team, its esports, that happens. Sure the squad itself hasn't had any showings but it's not like its a bunch of randoms.
Yeah it's not like there were better, proven teams they could have invited
[quote=Zakizaki]NRG = just a bunch of benched/popular streamers players such as iddqd (benched) harbleu ( benched) seagull (popular youtuber). They have stricly never proved anything in tournaments.

There is tons of superior teams like Selfless, immortals, Misfits.. But they decide to invite the most overrated team = NRG...[/quote]

iddqd (stepped down) harbleu (stepped down) seagull (player who happens to have a youtube following) each have proved themselves on their own, thats why I dont think its as ridiculous as people act

Yes there was BETTER CHOICES, no shit, but that doesnt mean its a BAD choice. They are all experienced players on a new team. Some of you guys are being really dumb about this

[quote=penda][quote=Guinea]You guys are being too hard on NRG lol

Sometimes you get invited based on the hype around the team, its esports, that happens. Sure the squad itself hasn't had any showings but it's not like its a bunch of randoms.[/quote]
Yeah it's not like there were better, proven teams they could have invited[/quote]
#21
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I honestly think that while NRG taking part will be good for APEX viewership, this could turn out to be a pretty dumb move for NRG as an org. This new roster has a huge amount of hype behind it, but even if they make a good showing at the OMM, if things go the same way they did last time NRG showcased a new roster at Korea, and they can't even make it out of groups (which could be pretty likely depending on how strong a group they get), I imagine a lot of viewers will simply write off the roster as a whole.

I honestly think that while NRG taking part will be good for APEX viewership, this could turn out to be a pretty dumb move for NRG as an org. This new roster has a huge amount of hype behind it, but even if they make a good showing at the OMM, if things go the same way they did last time NRG showcased a new roster at Korea, and they can't even make it out of groups (which could be pretty likely depending on how strong a group they get), I imagine a lot of viewers will simply write off the roster as a whole.
#22
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BenaI hope Overwatch eSports oneday becomes popular enough that you dont need a streamer team to get viewers.... Not saying NRG are bad or anything, but its kind of disappointing they get invited over teams that have actually proven themselves to be able to compete for #1 in the world when we haven't even seen them play yet....

Option A: Wow this western team looks like they could be a contender for number 1 team in the world! Lets invite them and see how they hold up against Koreans

Option B: This team has a roster of "star players" who have a lot of experience and a large following, lets invite them and see how they debut!

Neither are bad options. Its not hard to see where NRG would fit among teams (assuming no internal issues caused bad performances) they clearly arent a bunch of tier 2 no namers.

I think the real issue is only inviting 2 western teams, then this wouldnt be a cause for concern...

[quote=Bena]I hope Overwatch eSports oneday becomes popular enough that you dont need a streamer team to get viewers.... Not saying NRG are bad or anything, but its kind of disappointing they get invited over teams that have actually proven themselves to be able to compete for #1 in the world when we haven't even seen them play yet....[/quote]

Option A: Wow this western team looks like they could be a contender for number 1 team in the world! Lets invite them and see how they hold up against Koreans

Option B: This team has a roster of "star players" who have a lot of experience and a large following, lets invite them and see how they debut!

Neither are bad options. Its not hard to see where NRG would fit among teams (assuming no internal issues caused bad performances) they clearly arent a bunch of tier 2 no namers.

I think the real issue is only inviting 2 western teams, then this wouldnt be a cause for concern...
#23
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This is reminiscent of the arguments that go on in the UFC/other mma orgs, and to a less extent in boxing. Matches that make the most sense from the sports perspective, vs matches that attract the most eyeballs. The reason UFC has gotten as big an popular as it has, basically burying other orgs, is because until their recent sale they have leaned heavily towards matches that make the most sense in terms of finding out who is best, not just making fights between the most popular.

I don't think this particular instance is a HUGE deal because NRG should still be competitive, but favoring popularity over performance in event invites can do serious long term damage to the "sport" overall, because it become less and less of a sport, and more and more of an occasional spectacle.

This is reminiscent of the arguments that go on in the UFC/other mma orgs, and to a less extent in boxing. Matches that make the most sense from the sports perspective, vs matches that attract the most eyeballs. The reason UFC has gotten as big an popular as it has, basically burying other orgs, is because until their recent sale they have leaned heavily towards matches that make the most sense in terms of finding out who is best, not just making fights between the most popular.

I don't think this particular instance is a HUGE deal because NRG should still be competitive, but favoring popularity over performance in event invites can do serious long term damage to the "sport" overall, because it become less and less of a sport, and more and more of an occasional spectacle.
#24
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SambaFrozenJackalI share the sentiments about the possibility of an NRG invite but from a business sense, I think OGN wants more people from the West to see their product, what better way then to reinvite one of, if not the most popular OW figures? That added with all the current hype surrounding them, means even more eyes will be on Korean OW.
Additionally, I think, APEX season 3 may turn into a Korean showcase for potential OWL buyers. With the recent Korean imports from C9 and the rumored moves from TSM, a lot of orgs might be looking at this season with a bit more vested interest, though it is unknown if any more moves will go through in time for OWL

Exactly, OGN wants to make money, NRG means more viewers, more viewers means more advertising money. Rocket science this is not.

but them pharah physics tho......

[quote=Samba][quote=FrozenJackal]I share the sentiments about the possibility of an NRG invite but from a business sense, I think OGN wants more people from the West to see their product, what better way then to reinvite one of, if not the most popular OW figures? That added with all the current hype surrounding them, means even more eyes will be on Korean OW.
Additionally, I think, APEX season 3 may turn into a Korean showcase for potential OWL buyers. With the recent Korean imports from C9 and the rumored moves from TSM, a lot of orgs might be looking at this season with a bit more vested interest, though it is unknown if any more moves will go through in time for OWL[/quote]

Exactly, OGN wants to make money, NRG means more viewers, more viewers means more advertising money. Rocket science this is not.[/quote]

but them pharah physics tho......
#25
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Ownd4mehI honestly think that while NRG taking part will be good for APEX viewership, this could turn out to be a pretty dumb move for NRG as an org. This new roster has a huge amount of hype behind it, but even if they make a good showing at the OMM, if things go the same way they did last time NRG showcased a new roster at Korea, and they can't even make it out of groups (which could be pretty likely depending on how strong a group they get), I imagine a lot of viewers will simply write off the roster as a whole.

I hope this isn't true because even just them going to Korea and scrimming will be great for them as a developing team. There should be no pressure on NRG at all, because I believe they see this as a time to just improve against some of the best competition in the world, rather than just be stuck in NA.

[quote=Ownd4meh]I honestly think that while NRG taking part will be good for APEX viewership, this could turn out to be a pretty dumb move for NRG as an org. This new roster has a huge amount of hype behind it, but even if they make a good showing at the OMM, if things go the same way they did last time NRG showcased a new roster at Korea, and they can't even make it out of groups (which could be pretty likely depending on how strong a group they get), I imagine a lot of viewers will simply write off the roster as a whole.[/quote]
I hope this isn't true because even just them going to Korea and scrimming will be great for them as a developing team. There should be no pressure on NRG at all, because I believe they see this as a time to just improve against some of the best competition in the world, rather than just be stuck in NA.
#26
1 Frags +

Overwatch League.

With Apex you're stuck in Korea for months, all for a single tournament. The teams may want to stay in NA to prepare for OW league.

Overwatch League.

With Apex you're stuck in Korea for months, all for a single tournament. The teams may want to stay in NA to prepare for OW league.
#27
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SpotlightOverwatch League.

With Apex you're stuck in Korea for months, all for a single tournament. The teams may want to stay in NA to prepare for OW league.

Or you could go to Korea and get good then go play in OWL

[quote=Spotlight]Overwatch League.

With Apex you're stuck in Korea for months, all for a single tournament. The teams may want to stay in NA to prepare for OW league.[/quote]
Or you could go to Korea and get good then go play in OWL
#28
1 Frags +

Am I the only person that doesn't think Rogue is good? They have only shown one style of team composition and have not played against any good teams. There isn't a single NA team that has a solid mcree player that Rogue has played against. And what happens when their dive isn't working? Can Knoxx play rein? Can soon play anything else? Can Nico play anything besides DVA and genji? These are things that will determine if they are a good team. Playing one character over and over again does nothing to impress me because, as NV found out, once you are figured out you are very beatable. Watching Flow3r, or Rascal, or Birdring, play 4-5 different characters at the highest level in competitive overwatch impresses me. Teams like Lunatic Hai, Runaway, Luxury watch blue that can play dive comps, slow push comps, sniper comps, tank comps. I really think Rogue is going to struggle and we will see if they can adapt to the Korean powerhouses. My bet is that they are going to fold and won't even make it out of groups. But I hope I'm wrong, can't let Koreans own another E-sports.

Am I the only person that doesn't think Rogue is good? They have only shown one style of team composition and have not played against any good teams. There isn't a single NA team that has a solid mcree player that Rogue has played against. And what happens when their dive isn't working? Can Knoxx play rein? Can soon play anything else? Can Nico play anything besides DVA and genji? These are things that will determine if they are a good team. Playing one character over and over again does nothing to impress me because, as NV found out, once you are figured out you are very beatable. Watching Flow3r, or Rascal, or Birdring, play 4-5 different characters at the highest level in competitive overwatch impresses me. Teams like Lunatic Hai, Runaway, Luxury watch blue that can play dive comps, slow push comps, sniper comps, tank comps. I really think Rogue is going to struggle and we will see if they can adapt to the Korean powerhouses. My bet is that they are going to fold and won't even make it out of groups. But I hope I'm wrong, can't let Koreans own another E-sports.
#29
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Found this really good video, from this really smart guy named Harsha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK8Om-ZoIVM

Found this really good video, from this really smart guy named Harsha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK8Om-ZoIVM
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