Cloud9 brings back some extra luggage, signs Xepher and Selly

After the addition of Bishop to the Cloud9 staff, the team announced today that he would not be the lone Korean to join. Jaemo "Xepher" Koo and Jeonghwan "Selly" An will join the team for the foreseeable future, while European players ryb and Mendokusaii move to reserve positions on the roster despite relatively good performances at APEX Season 2.

The move marks the first official signing of an imported Korean, as the EFFECT move to Team SoloMid remains unconfirmed. In a statement with Cloud9's staff, Xepher noted, "As one of the first Koreans to join the North American Overwatch scene, I hope to leave a good impression for old and new fans." Selly agreed with the sentiment and added that he was excited to play with the new roster.

Of course, fans will be left scratching their heads, especially when many assumed Mendokusaii and ryb only returned to Sweden due to visa and dental issues. While Mendokusaii joins his brother on Red Reserve for an upcoming tournament as a stand-in, many might wonder whether this leave of absence from Cloud9 is permanent, especially when he performed so well at APEX.

Xepher previously played with OPPA.Danwa, while Selly performed on Rhinos Gaming Wings. Some will remember Xepher due to the issues surrounding his exile from Korean Overwatch following the Geguri scandal; he was removed from the Kongdoo Panthera roster after the community remembered his prior involvement with the scene. Still, Cloud9 will serve as a safe haven and a fresh opportunity for the previously-shamed player.

Many will look forward to the Overwatch Rumble, as it will be the first performance with Cloud9's new roster. Notably, this new roster marks the first time GODS will have to perform on main tank duties.

At this point in time, the starting Cloud9 roster is as follows:

  • Lane "Surefour" Roberts (DPS)
  • Jeonghwan “Selly” An (DPS)
  • Jaemo “Xepher” Koo (Flex)
  • Daniel "GODS" Graesser (Tank)
  • Randal "Roolf" Stark (Support)
  • Adam "Adam" Eckel (Support)
  • Beoumjun “Bishop” Lee (Coach)
#1
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Wow, did not see this coming.

Wow, did not see this coming.
#2
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Stay strong ryb!

Stay strong ryb!
#3
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Don't get why they would bottleneck GODS mechanical skill by putting him on a tank ( with the execption of roadhog). Interested to see this mixed roster play out in NA.

Don't get why they would bottleneck GODS mechanical skill by putting him on a tank ( with the execption of roadhog). Interested to see this mixed roster play out in NA.
#4
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Wasn't it proven that Xepher wasn't really guilty in the geguri scandal? Or am I misinformed

Wasn't it proven that Xepher wasn't really guilty in the geguri scandal? Or am I misinformed
#5
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Replacing the Swedes for Koreans.

Replacing the Swedes for Koreans.
#6
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maybe if ryb shaved they would've kept him..

maybe if ryb shaved they would've kept him..
#7
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I think they need to work on team communications a lot now with the addition of non-English speakers

I think they need to work on team communications a lot now with the addition of non-English speakers
#8
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This is crazy :o

Like I said in another news post, perhaps Mendo will stay with his brothers team now that they've gotten better and have a big sponsor.

Hopefully ryb will find a place on a team too.

Also can someone tell me about the Geguri scandal? I know it has to do with a cheating girl right? How was this guy involved.

This is crazy :o

Like I said in another news post, perhaps Mendo will stay with his brothers team now that they've gotten better and have a big sponsor.

Hopefully ryb will find a place on a team too.

Also can someone tell me about the Geguri scandal? I know it has to do with a cheating girl right? How was this guy involved.
#9
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ryb and mendo were probably C9s best players at APEX, hope they find a new home soon

ryb and mendo were probably C9s best players at APEX, hope they find a new home soon
#10
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EightI think they need to work on team communications a lot now with the addition of non-English speakers

Bishop should be able to help Xepher and Selly get up to par language wise considering he was noted as having very good English. Supposedly both of them are incredible players but weren't really able to get a shot after the Geguri scandal

I'm still a bit confused as to why ryb was dropped and Gods would be filling his role considering how good he is mechanically but KnOxXx also gave up his spot on Lucio to go to main tank somewhat recently as well. Only time will tell if moving Gods to main tank will pay off for them

GuineaAlso can someone tell me about the Geguri scandal? I know it has to do with a cheating girl right? How was this guy involved.

From the little that I know about Xepher and Selly's involvement in the event itself, they seemed to just be in the wrong place at the wrong time, which certainly affected how sponsors valued them

Edit: a google search of the whole thing basically led to this:

  1. Geguri was really good at Zarya. Like REALLY good. One of the best (if not the best) in Korea. Two players from another team (ELTA and Strobe from Dizziness) brought forth claims that she was using some sort of cheating program.
  2. ELTA and Strobe vow that if Geguri is not found using any cheats, they would quit playing.
  3. Blizzard Korea launches an investigation and she's found to be innocent after a showcase of her skill. Keep in mind she is in her teens when all of this is happening so the social pressure had to be incredibly overwhelming
  4. The two pros that vowed to exit the game if she was found guilty follow through with their words, and they did in fact exit the scene
[quote=Eight]I think they need to work on team communications a lot now with the addition of non-English speakers[/quote]

Bishop should be able to help Xepher and Selly get up to par language wise considering he was noted as having very good English. Supposedly both of them are incredible players but weren't really able to get a shot after the Geguri scandal

I'm still a bit confused as to why ryb was dropped and Gods would be filling his role considering how good he is mechanically but KnOxXx also gave up his spot on Lucio to go to main tank somewhat recently as well. Only time will tell if moving Gods to main tank will pay off for them

[quote=Guinea]Also can someone tell me about the Geguri scandal? I know it has to do with a cheating girl right? How was this guy involved.[/quote]

From the little that I know about Xepher and Selly's involvement in the event itself, they seemed to just be in the wrong place at the wrong time, which certainly affected how sponsors valued them

Edit: a google search of the whole thing basically led to this:
[olist]
[*] Geguri was really good at Zarya. Like REALLY good. One of the best (if not the best) in Korea. Two players from another team (ELTA and Strobe from Dizziness) brought forth claims that she was using some sort of cheating program.
[*] ELTA and Strobe vow that if Geguri is not found using any cheats, they would quit playing.
[*] Blizzard Korea launches an investigation and she's found to be innocent after a showcase of her skill. Keep in mind she is in her teens when all of this is happening so the social pressure had to be incredibly overwhelming
[*] The two pros that vowed to exit the game if she was found guilty follow through with their words, and they did in fact exit the scene
[/olist]
#11
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basically xepher was on a team that collectively accused geguri of aimbotting (she wasn't aimbotting). but during this he/his team accused her of cheating, and it escalated to harsh verbal harassment, trying to get her kicked out of her team and overwatch. (and there were also death threats from the team, like showing up to her door with a knife or something like that, i don't think from xepher specifically but he was like-minded afaik)

basically xepher was on a team that collectively accused geguri of aimbotting (she wasn't aimbotting). but during this he/his team accused her of cheating, and it escalated to harsh verbal harassment, trying to get her kicked out of her team and overwatch. (and there were also death threats from the team, like showing up to her door with a knife or something like that, i don't think from xepher specifically but he was like-minded afaik)
#12
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twerpbasically xepher was on a team that collectively accused geguri of aimbotting (she wasn't aimbotting). but during this he/his team accused her of cheating, and it escalated to harsh verbal harassment, trying to get her kicked out of her team and overwatch. (and there were also death threats from the team, like showing up to her door with a knife or something like that, not sure if from xepher specifically but he was like-minded afaik)

jeepers creepers

[quote=twerp]basically xepher was on a team that collectively accused geguri of aimbotting (she wasn't aimbotting). but during this he/his team accused her of cheating, and it escalated to harsh verbal harassment, trying to get her kicked out of her team and overwatch. (and there were also death threats from the team, like showing up to her door with a knife or something like that, not sure if from xepher specifically but he was like-minded afaik)[/quote]

jeepers creepers
#13
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GuineaThis is crazy :o

Like I said in another news post, perhaps Mendo will stay with his brothers team now that they've gotten better and have a big sponsor.

Hopefully ryb will find a place on a team too.

Also can someone tell me about the Geguri scandal? I know it has to do with a cheating girl right? How was this guy involved.

Yes. Xepher (Friez3) is one of the people in the Geguri scandal(Team Dizziness scandal). He was one of the Team Dizziness members who agreed to upload a accusing video and after that he was kicked out from Team AF Blue. He changed his name. And he entered the Team Kongdoo Panthera last January but he was kicked out again due to the past scandal.
I can not understand why C9 accepted him.

[quote=Guinea]This is crazy :o

Like I said in another news post, perhaps Mendo will stay with his brothers team now that they've gotten better and have a big sponsor.

Hopefully ryb will find a place on a team too.

Also can someone tell me about the Geguri scandal? I know it has to do with a cheating girl right? How was this guy involved.[/quote]

Yes. Xepher (Friez3) is one of the people in the Geguri scandal(Team Dizziness scandal). He was one of the Team Dizziness members who agreed to upload a accusing video and after that he was kicked out from Team AF Blue. He changed his name. And he entered the Team Kongdoo Panthera last January but he was kicked out again due to the past scandal.
I can not understand why C9 accepted him.
#14
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I am really glad to see Selly on active DPS role. but hey, I really don't know why C9 accepted Xepher. I know this guy is some kind of talented flex player ( even Kaiser also agreed ) but Personality must be concerned first.. he is 'accomplice' of what
he has done, without doubt. if Xepher and C9 thinks he still has talent that is undervalued, I think he must be above ryujehong right now..

I am really glad to see Selly on active DPS role. but hey, I really don't know why C9 accepted Xepher. I know this guy is some kind of talented flex player ( even Kaiser also agreed ) but Personality must be concerned first.. he is 'accomplice' of what
he has done, without doubt. if Xepher and C9 thinks he still has talent that is undervalued, I think he must be above ryujehong right now..
#15
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iirc xepher is one of the people that in his AMA, kaiser said he would like on his dream team.

iirc xepher is one of the people that in his AMA, kaiser said he would like on his dream team.
#16
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https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/790/kongdoo-pantheras-new-player-gets-removed-because-of-his-past

Why did he got accepted into C9?

https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/790/kongdoo-pantheras-new-player-gets-removed-because-of-his-past

Why did he got accepted into C9?
#17
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Is the reasoning behind benching ryb just the visa stuff? Am I missing something here?

Is the reasoning behind benching ryb just the visa stuff? Am I missing something here?
#18
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MertIs the reasoning behind benching ryb just the visa stuff? Am I missing something here?

Some reason its always Visa stuff, pretty used meme already smh.

Probably just got legit cut from the roster.

[quote=Mert]Is the reasoning behind benching ryb just the visa stuff? Am I missing something here?[/quote]
Some reason its always Visa stuff, pretty used meme already smh.

Probably just got legit cut from the roster.
#19
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Clickbaitiirc xepher is one of the people that in his AMA, kaiser said he would like on his dream team.

I dont know why you are getting downvoted. He did say so. https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/630pwl/amahello_im_kaiser_from_team_runaway/dfr9ovo/

[quote=Clickbait]iirc xepher is one of the people that in his AMA, kaiser said he would like on his dream team.[/quote]
I dont know why you are getting downvoted. He did say so. https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/630pwl/amahello_im_kaiser_from_team_runaway/dfr9ovo/
#20
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DazUkihttps://www.invenglobal.com/articles/790/kongdoo-pantheras-new-player-gets-removed-because-of-his-past

Why did he got accepted into ?

cheating in previous games probably, NA is pretty good with that shit since like 20% of OW pros were cheating in csgo before :p

[quote=DazUki]https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/790/kongdoo-pantheras-new-player-gets-removed-because-of-his-past

Why did he got accepted into ?[/quote]

cheating in previous games probably, NA is pretty good with that shit since like 20% of OW pros were cheating in csgo before :p
#21
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Surely once you have three Koreans, you improve your comms immensely by having six Koreans.

Surely once you have three Koreans, you improve your comms immensely by having six Koreans.
#22
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If I were a team owner I wouldn't care about any of this stuff, and I don't think jack does either. Azk is on liquid despite throwing a game in csgo and I find that much worse than any of this. Same with leetaejun and dean I don't think western teams would be opposed to picking them up, the only tournament they wouldn't be able to play in would be OGN right? Although I'm pretty sure dean and leetaejun and retired.

If I were a team owner I wouldn't care about any of this stuff, and I don't think jack does either. Azk is on liquid despite throwing a game in csgo and I find that much worse than any of this. Same with leetaejun and dean I don't think western teams would be opposed to picking them up, the only tournament they wouldn't be able to play in would be OGN right? Although I'm pretty sure dean and leetaejun and retired.
#23
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fraacSurely once you have three Koreans, you improve your comms immensely by having six Koreans.

I know right?

Anyway, Mendo put in some work, and he's really intelligent when it comes to analyzing what he or his team did wrong, what to improve and is also good at spotting weaknesses on the enemy team. The downside was him being shy, which it seemed like he was working on.

The only possible reason he's getting replaced is that his Tracer or Genji aren't good enough for the current meta, which is pretty true. If the meta goes back to having McCree though...

pendaIf I were a team owner I wouldn't care about any of this stuff, and I don't think jack does either. Azk is on liquid despite throwing a game in csgo and I find that much worse than any of this. Same with leetaejun and dean I don't think western teams would be opposed to picking them up, the only tournament they wouldn't be able to play in would be OGN right? Although I'm pretty sure dean and leetaejun and retired.

Lee Taejun and Dean were proven innocent if I recall. And even if it turned out they were guilty, Western teams don't really give a crap about their athletes being in relationships with one of their fans anyway. They should definitely get picked up by a western team.

[quote=fraac]Surely once you have three Koreans, you improve your comms immensely by having six Koreans.[/quote]
I know right?

Anyway, Mendo put in some work, and he's really intelligent when it comes to analyzing what he or his team did wrong, what to improve and is also good at spotting weaknesses on the enemy team. The downside was him being shy, which it seemed like he was working on.

The only possible reason he's getting replaced is that his Tracer or Genji aren't good enough for the current meta, which is pretty true. If the meta goes back to having McCree though...

[quote=penda]If I were a team owner I wouldn't care about any of this stuff, and I don't think jack does either. Azk is on liquid despite throwing a game in csgo and I find that much worse than any of this. Same with leetaejun and dean I don't think western teams would be opposed to picking them up, the only tournament they wouldn't be able to play in would be OGN right? Although I'm pretty sure dean and leetaejun and retired.[/quote]
Lee Taejun and Dean were proven innocent if I recall. And even if it turned out they were guilty, Western teams don't really give a crap about their athletes being in relationships with one of their fans anyway. They should definitely get picked up by a western team.
#24
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mendo and surefour played a lot of the same heroes: mccree, soldier, genji, tracer. surefour is also known for his pharah, so he probably has the deeper pool of heroes. not that having hero overlap is bad, just the majority of heroes they play are the same.
gods seemed to play a lot of the same heroes to: i remember him on genji on a route 66 map. however he is good at roadhog, and his zarya has been pretty good, so he's the flex tank c9 needs. i guess between gods and ryb, c9 chose gods, for flexibility. reinhardt isn't in 100% of team comps now, and if ryb can't play winston (or just doesn't feel comfortable), i guess it's gods over ryb. i assume gods will be picking up reinhardt and winston now, too.

rip kyky's zarya and winston tho. ;(

mendo and surefour played a lot of the same heroes: mccree, soldier, genji, tracer. surefour is also known for his pharah, so he probably has the deeper pool of heroes. not that having hero overlap is bad, just the majority of heroes they play are the same.
gods seemed to play a lot of the same heroes to: i remember him on genji on a route 66 map. however he is good at roadhog, and his zarya has been pretty good, so he's the flex tank c9 needs. i guess between gods and ryb, c9 chose gods, for flexibility. reinhardt isn't in 100% of team comps now, and if ryb can't play winston (or just doesn't feel comfortable), i guess it's gods over ryb. i assume gods will be picking up reinhardt and winston now, too.

rip kyky's zarya and winston tho. ;(
#25
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There's no way Ryb can't play a good Winston.

There's no way Ryb can't play a good Winston.
#26
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I really want to see some sort of new swedish shuffle when a lot of swedish players/teams are on the rise like Vivi's Adventure

I really want to see some sort of new swedish shuffle when a lot of swedish players/teams are on the rise like Vivi's Adventure
#27
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Ryb for me was by far the standout C9 player in Korea. But hey Clown9 never ceases to amaze with their decision making. I'm sure replacing 1/3 of your team with Koreans and moving a dps player to tank is the answer.

Ryb for me was by far the standout C9 player in Korea. But hey Clown9 never ceases to amaze with their decision making. I'm sure replacing 1/3 of your team with Koreans and moving a dps player to tank is the answer.
#28
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This is going to make C9 much worse in the short term, but if they stick to the Korean players and let them learn English and NA comms style it could be great long-term. Mendo to TSM maybe?

This is going to make C9 much worse in the short term, but if they stick to the Korean players and let them learn English and NA comms style it could be great long-term. Mendo to TSM maybe?
#29
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C9 will benefit in the long term by removing the other 3 western players and having the first full Korean team in OWL.

C9 will benefit in the long term by removing the other 3 western players and having the first full Korean team in OWL.
#30
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I can imagine GODS is a good fit for winston, but Rein?

I can imagine GODS is a good fit for winston, but Rein?
#31
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LocoI can imagine GODS is a good fit for winston, but Rein?

GODS does look like a winston.. well maybe not as good looking.. he's like a winston that got shaved down and ate all the peanut butter in the world.

[quote=Loco]I can imagine GODS is a good fit for winston, but Rein?[/quote]


GODS does look like a winston.. well maybe not as good looking.. he's like a winston that got shaved down and ate all the peanut butter in the world.
#32
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SideshowC9 will benefit in the long term by removing the other 3 western players and having the first full Korean team in OWL.

We get it, you're angsty towards NA.

[quote=Sideshow]C9 will benefit in the long term by removing the other 3 western players and having the first full Korean team in OWL.[/quote]
We get it, you're angsty towards NA.
#33
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AffenPThis is going to make C9 much worse in the short term, but if they stick to the Korean players and let them learn English and NA comms style it could be great long-term. Mendo to TSM maybe?

Watching mendo streams recently it is pretty clear he is going through some set back emotions. This prob contributed to him being moved to reserve. I could see him being a good fit on TSM as they are obv going through some shit.

[quote=AffenP]This is going to make C9 much worse in the short term, but if they stick to the Korean players and let them learn English and NA comms style it could be great long-term. Mendo to TSM maybe?[/quote]


Watching mendo streams recently it is pretty clear he is going through some set back emotions. This prob contributed to him being moved to reserve. I could see him being a good fit on TSM as they are obv going through some shit.
#34
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SplicesomaseAffenPThis is going to make C9 much worse in the short term, but if they stick to the Korean players and let them learn English and NA comms style it could be great long-term. Mendo to TSM maybe?
Watching mendo streams recently it is pretty clear he is going through some set back emotions. This prob contributed to him being moved to reserve. I could see him being a good fit on TSM as they are obv going through some shit.

I watched his stream when he was under contract with FaZe but not a ton since he's been on c9. From what I've seen on Twitter he seemed happier since joining c9. Idk maybe I'm retarded, but as someone who has had a lot of mental/emotional problems I payed attention to mendos sense of humor, tone, choice of words, frequency of tweets etc.. He seemed a lot less reserved

[quote=Splicesomase][quote=AffenP]This is going to make C9 much worse in the short term, but if they stick to the Korean players and let them learn English and NA comms style it could be great long-term. Mendo to TSM maybe?[/quote]


Watching mendo streams recently it is pretty clear he is going through some set back emotions. This prob contributed to him being moved to reserve. I could see him being a good fit on TSM as they are obv going through some shit.[/quote]
I watched his stream when he was under contract with FaZe but not a ton since he's been on c9. From what I've seen on Twitter he seemed happier since joining c9. Idk maybe I'm retarded, but as someone who has had a lot of mental/emotional problems I payed attention to mendos sense of humor, tone, choice of words, frequency of tweets etc.. He seemed a lot less reserved
#35
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Man Harsha improving his title game, how will everyone else respond?

Props to C9 for at least trying out Korean players and giving them a chance on western soil. There was an article on Gosu I read about the recent roster changes(http://www.gosugamers.net/overwatch/features/43966-cloud9-s-musical-chairs-the-struggle-for-a-working-formula), talking at the end about how Adam and Surefour are the only ones remaining from the original C9 despite all the switch-ups. I assume that the org wants Surefour to be their OW representative, and all these roster changes are centered around him, so does he get any input, or does he trust Bishop enough to rework a roster that looked solid enough? Additionally, the article in question mentioned the possibility of a sister team, which I think would help long term.

Man Harsha improving his title game, how will everyone else respond?

Props to C9 for at least trying out Korean players and giving them a chance on western soil. There was an article on Gosu I read about the recent roster changes(http://www.gosugamers.net/overwatch/features/43966-cloud9-s-musical-chairs-the-struggle-for-a-working-formula), talking at the end about how Adam and Surefour are the only ones remaining from the original C9 despite all the switch-ups. I assume that the org wants Surefour to be their OW representative, and all these roster changes are centered around him, so does he get any input, or does he trust Bishop enough to rework a roster that looked solid enough? Additionally, the article in question mentioned the possibility of a sister team, which I think would help long term.
#36
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As far as I'm aware, that article's mention of sister teams is pure speculation based on a reddit post that was misinterpreting rumours of the Koreans joining. I have not heard any reports or even rumours that a 2nd C9 roster is being formed.

As far as I'm aware, that article's mention of sister teams is pure speculation based on a reddit post that was misinterpreting rumours of the Koreans joining. I have not heard any reports or even rumours that a 2nd C9 roster is being formed.
#37
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SideshowAs far as I'm aware, that article's mention of sister teams is pure speculation based on a reddit post that was misinterpreting rumours of the Koreans joining. I have not heard any reports or even rumours that a 2nd C9 roster is being formed.

Thats interesting. I hope so, would be cool.

[quote=Sideshow]As far as I'm aware, that article's mention of sister teams is pure speculation based on a reddit post that was misinterpreting rumours of the Koreans joining. I have not heard any reports or even rumours that a 2nd C9 roster is being formed.[/quote]

Thats interesting. I hope so, would be cool.
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