Team SoloMid's Overwatch shortcomings

It is no secret that Team SoloMid has had its eyes set on Overwatch, looking for an opportunity to perhaps enter the scene and challenge the ranks of North America. While their goal was certainly evident, their determination to enter was not—TSM has by all means pussyfooted around creating an Overwatch team. Their first attempt was well-documented: TSM signed then-Code7 in July of 2016. The team was promising, defeating fan-favorite Cloud9 in consecutive tournaments to earn mostly second-place finishes behind the behemoths of Team EnVyUs. Despite the success, TSM released the team a mere two weeks later.

TSM released a statement regarding the release, noting that additional cheating allegations against the TJO brothers were made clear only after signing. The excuse is a bit dubious given TSM's willingness to sign the team despite knowing about the CS:GO cheating history (and the near-unanimous cries of dissent from fans), but perhaps there was truth to their statement given the repeated nature of the violations. Whatever the case may be, Team SoloMid left Overwatch for the first time.

TSM would re-emerge from the shadows towards the end of the year, reportedly shopping around MLG Las Vegas to chat with teams and look for potential fits. PVPLive reported two separate reports on TSM, but the more immediate (and more likely) report of SoloMid's reaching an agreement with upcoming amateur squad Kungarna made waves around the scene. The news, however, was again greeted with disgust by fans—given their star babybay's cheating past, it's not hard to see why. Team SoloMid had repeated a former mistake in dealing with a "cheater," and the organization backtracked as soon as the information was reported. Many corroborated TSM's report, especially since they were also seen in talks with Rise Nation.

During their spree at the NGE Winter Premiere, Kungarna shocked the world by announcing that they would be splitting into two groups after the event and pursuing different things. One group—mykL, babybay, and MOETORIOUS—would presumably remain with the current brand they were representing at the time: Ghost Gaming. Of course, that half left Ghost Gaming after an alleged bidding war of sorts to end up on Splyce, though they have not played in top tier competition since.

The other half received offers from an unnamed team at the time, though many in the scene speculated that they would join Team SoloMid. Ajax, b1am, and ConnorJ essentially dropped out of the competitive scene until an untimely announcement came to light. According to Ajax, TSM had signed all three players immediately and had plans to move them into a team house. The three were all clearly excited to work with an organization of TSM's stature, and conducted tryouts to determine the entire roster.

Gods of Cloud9 and Northern Gaming's CEO both reportedly sent a screenshot of a then-deleted tweet that Ajax posted in early December to TSM's management—specifically to Derrick Truong. The tweet was a quote taken from a drunk reaver's stream, though Ajax was advised by friends to take it down within the hour it was posted. While the quote itself contained slurs, the tweet removed the expletives and replaced them with asterisks and underscores. Strangely, Derrick Truong cut Ajax almost immediately after hearing about the tweet, despite signing him only two weeks prior.

To all the TSM fans out there, I apologize because I let the fans down and they didn't even know it yet. All the puzzle pieces now are unlikely to fit together, who knows I could be wrong.

Ajax's words were prophetic.

Simply put, Team SoloMid's trials and tribulations in piecing together a new team have been well-documented. Players often left the team incredibly frustrated with management and the atmosphere, promising that it would almost certainly fall through. Numerous high profile free agents have reportedly worked with the signed core of b1am and ConnorJPookz, enigma, skipjack, Linepro, Bischu, and many more have all trialled or plan to trial alongside the squad. There is no fundamental wrong in examining all possible options presented, but the overwhelming response to the tryouts has been incredibly negative according to many involved.

Perhaps most head-scratching was the report of Team SoloMid testing out rosters with Korean import players. Korean imports are standard fare in League of Legends, where the dominant region has been Korea for several years. However, players within League of Legends play in a LAN environment, and Koreans have speech lessons and bonding time available to them.

Team SoloMid reportedly approached Korean aWesomeGuy, a player renowned for his Winston play previously on LuxuryWatch Red. Despite his skill, scrims with aWesomeGuy frustrated everybody playing with him according to some involved, notably due to his inability to communicate with the team from a communication-based role. Many found the issue to be a lack of foresight on TSM's part—after all, communication is easily one of the biggest factors when it comes to competitive play in Overwatch.

Perhaps the most frustrating issue with Team SoloMid's ventures in Overwatch is their tendency to pass on so many free opportunities. A wealth of talented teams exist in Europe with no organization to play for, but the brand has insisted on maintaining a roster with at least several players from North America. Now-LG Evil was clearly available for buyout from Hammers Esports, but that opportunity was ignored as well. Instead, Team SoloMid has insisted on doing things their own way, ignoring the Overwatch culture and communicating poorly the entire time.

While Team SoloMid has displayed a penchant for stumbling around with these rosters, they are certainly a big brand within esports and likely to participate within Overwatch in the future. However, before they do, they will need to patch up on their previous mistakes within the scene and gain the community's trust.

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TSM Regi is so worried about his "brand" he does stupid shit to hurt it more, in CS and then OW

https://gyazo.com/65c646ec180c6c74ffab1bacca80986e

TSM Regi is so worried about his "brand" he does stupid shit to hurt it more, in CS and then OW

https://gyazo.com/65c646ec180c6c74ffab1bacca80986e
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So is TSM like this in general or just to their OW prospects? I'm new to esports in general, but I know TSM from their League team (heck those guys did commercials for geico that ran for awhile). My guess is that the org has just had too many run-ins with bad luck and have had trouble recovering

So is TSM like this in general or just to their OW prospects? I'm new to esports in general, but I know TSM from their League team (heck those guys did commercials for geico that ran for awhile). My guess is that the org has just had too many run-ins with bad luck and have had trouble recovering
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TSM is a meme

TSM is a meme
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TSM makes a ton of money of off PR and such so they don't want any teams with possible cheaters (present or past). Idk about that Ajax tweet tho I don't see why that would be enough to cut a player... worked out well for nrg tho. Honestly the way they're working with overwatch will probably be what it's like with OWL with the tedious tryouts and wanting a clean background.

TSM makes a ton of money of off PR and such so they don't want any teams with possible cheaters (present or past). Idk about that Ajax tweet tho I don't see why that would be enough to cut a player... worked out well for nrg tho. Honestly the way they're working with overwatch will probably be what it's like with OWL with the tedious tryouts and wanting a clean background.
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FrozenJackalMy guess is that

Please don't "guess" when the internet is right by your hands, that doesn't do justice for the players tsm mistreated and the people regi dicked on. (oh wait that's the same thing)

FrozenJackalthe org has just had too many run-ins with bad luck

It's just tsm's" luck" that they happen to form a formidable team in the early days of lol.

FrozenJackaland have had trouble recovering

There's no "recovering" from regi.

[quote=FrozenJackal]My guess is that[/quote]
Please don't "guess" when the internet is right by your hands, that doesn't do justice for the players tsm mistreated and the people regi dicked on. (oh wait that's the same thing)
[quote=FrozenJackal]the org has just had too many run-ins with bad luck[/quote]
It's just tsm's" luck" that they happen to form a formidable team in the early days of lol.
[quote=FrozenJackal]and have had trouble recovering[/quote]
There's no "recovering" from regi.
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People shittalk regi but he's honestly very successful and influential in esports. He may have made some bad moves in certain games but overall he's a good owner.

m31applepiePlease don't "guess" when the internet is right by your hands, that doesn't do justice for the players tsm mistreated and the people regi dicked on. (oh wait that's the same thing)

He's asking a question and saying what it seems like from someone with limited information. He's allowed to share his opinion and isn't really injusticing anyone

People shittalk regi but he's honestly very successful and influential in esports. He may have made some bad moves in certain games but overall he's a good owner.
[quote=m31applepie]Please don't "guess" when the internet is right by your hands, that doesn't do justice for the players tsm mistreated and the people regi dicked on. (oh wait that's the same thing)[/quote]
He's asking a question and saying what it seems like from someone with limited information. He's allowed to share his opinion and isn't really injusticing anyone
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For the record, I think Regi receives a bit of an unfair characterization because he is the only known figure in management. Not everything that Team SoloMid does is by Regi, despite his name's being attached.

For the record, I think Regi receives a bit of an unfair characterization because he is the only known figure in management. Not everything that Team SoloMid does is by Regi, despite his name's being attached.
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harshaFor the record, I think Regi receives a bit of an unfair characterization because he is the only known figure in management. Not everything that Team SoloMid does is by Regi, despite his name's being attached.

I was gonna take it out of my post because I thought about that, but the last incident was caused directly by regi

[quote=harsha]For the record, I think Regi receives a bit of an unfair characterization because he is the only known figure in management. Not everything that Team SoloMid does is by Regi, despite his name's being attached.[/quote]

I was gonna take it out of my post because I thought about that, but the last incident was caused directly by regi
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GuineaharshaFor the record, I think Regi receives a bit of an unfair characterization because he is the only known figure in management. Not everything that Team SoloMid does is by Regi, despite his name's being attached.
I was gonna take it out of my post because I thought about that, but the last incident was caused directly by regi

The csgo incident? Not really it was a mix between the players and regi. https://youtu.be/lvZTNEJ1Igc Watch this video for his side of the story

[quote=Guinea][quote=harsha]For the record, I think Regi receives a bit of an unfair characterization because he is the only known figure in management. Not everything that Team SoloMid does is by Regi, despite his name's being attached.[/quote]

I was gonna take it out of my post because I thought about that, but the last incident was caused directly by regi[/quote]
The csgo incident? Not really it was a mix between the players and regi. https://youtu.be/lvZTNEJ1Igc Watch this video for his side of the story
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The second half of this article was super cool. In fact, I'll wager that I'm not alone in being way, way more interested in the player-centered stuff like what our glorious overlord enigma has been up to and the funny story about aWesomeGuy ("rumors", if you will) than the TSM esports mumbo jumbo.

Are there any articles or any other more detailed coverage of all that out there?

The second half of this article was super cool. In fact, I'll wager that I'm not alone in being way, way more interested in the player-centered stuff like what our glorious overlord enigma has been up to and the funny story about aWesomeGuy ("rumors", if you will) than the TSM esports mumbo jumbo.

Are there any articles or any other more detailed coverage of all that out there?
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harshaFor the record, I think Regi receives a bit of an unfair characterization because he is the only known figure in management. Not everything that Team SoloMid does is by Regi, despite his name's being attached.

From interviews, reports, and articles I've seen, I can only say good things about Regi to be honest. Perhaps he had a rocky start transitioning from LOL pro to esports team owner but it's easy to understand he lacked experience back then and he's made up for it tenfold by now. Just looking at the Riot incident around Worlds last year, I think Regi was instrumental into pushing fairer rules for prize pools and player's payoffs during the tournament, as well as patch releases. I'm not saying he's the sole reason Riot adapted, but he happened to be VERY vocal about these problems right before Riot decided to address them...

My impression is that many people get angry at him for managing TSM like a "traditional" org, not specifically like an esports org. Every statement I've seen from him have seemed fair and reflective of his mistakes in a way I'd like my owner to be if I was in this company. I personally was glad he dropped rosters with former cheaters and I praise him for it.

Heck, for all we know it is a smart move to build a team with >75% NA players. It's a rule in LOL's LCS, it may become one in the OWL at some point, who knows?

Now, behind the scenes may be a different story and I have no idea why he has this reputation of "dicking over" people. Perhaps that's true. But it seems to me many people base their judgement on memes and reports from reports from "someone close to the org", even players statements don't mean anything as they very well can be incredibly biased. (if I spend 2 days in an org before getting dropped, am I likely to say it was my own fault or do I rather blame it on the org? I know which option gives me the best chance of finding another org quickly).

Disclaimer: I'm not a TSM fanboy or a Regi fanboy. I just want to try be the devil's advocate here and start a conversation based on fact and rationale rather than twitlongers and banana memes.

[quote=harsha]For the record, I think Regi receives a bit of an unfair characterization because he is the only known figure in management. Not everything that Team SoloMid does is by Regi, despite his name's being attached.[/quote]

From interviews, reports, and articles I've seen, I can only say good things about Regi to be honest. Perhaps he had a rocky start transitioning from LOL pro to esports team owner but it's easy to understand he lacked experience back then and he's made up for it tenfold by now. Just looking at the Riot incident around Worlds last year, I think Regi was instrumental into pushing fairer rules for prize pools and player's payoffs during the tournament, as well as patch releases. I'm not saying he's the sole reason Riot adapted, but he happened to be VERY vocal about these problems right before Riot decided to address them...

My impression is that many people get angry at him for managing TSM like a "traditional" org, not specifically like an esports org. Every statement I've seen from him have seemed fair and reflective of his mistakes in a way I'd like my owner to be if I was in this company. I personally was glad he dropped rosters with former cheaters and I praise him for it.

Heck, for all we know it is a smart move to build a team with >75% NA players. It's a rule in LOL's LCS, it may become one in the OWL at some point, who knows?

Now, behind the scenes may be a different story and I have no idea why he has this reputation of "dicking over" people. Perhaps that's true. But it seems to me many people base their judgement on memes and reports from reports from "someone close to the org", even players statements don't mean anything as they very well can be incredibly biased. (if I spend 2 days in an org before getting dropped, am I likely to say it was my own fault or do I rather blame it on the org? I know which option gives me the best chance of finding another org quickly).


Disclaimer: I'm not a TSM fanboy or a Regi fanboy. I just want to try be the devil's advocate here and start a conversation based on fact and rationale rather than twitlongers and banana memes.
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