Editorial: Why can't "competitive" and "casual" coexist?

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Author's note: I will not be addressing the mods' response in this piece. I will likely mull it over for the next few days before responding, as I would like to consider all possible viewpoints beforehand.

A clear rift grew in the midst of the debate on Reddit regarding /r/Overwatch's ruleset. The two sides—termed "casual" for the fun-loving party and "competitive" for the tryhards—have laid out their opinions, and strangely only one theme resonated throughout the entire debacle. Every poster pointed towards the difference in interests between both the casual and the competitive community.

Let's get this straight: the notion that there are binary parties is bullshit.

There is absolutely no divide between competitive and casual communities. To insinuate that there is would be ridiculous; interests instead fall on a spectrum. Is it not possible to enjoy lighthearted, fun content as a professional player? Is it not possible to enjoy esports without playing ranked? Does no middle ground exist?

You can clearly see that this issue is multifaceted. I personally enjoy many of the creations that would be termed "fun." Katsuwatch is perhaps my favorite thing to come out of the main subreddit, and I enjoy every new addition to dinoflask's YouTube channel. In no way was I suggesting to remove fun from /r/Overwatch—and neither was MonteCristo! Nobody from the competitive community wants to remove fun from the game; I'd wager that they wouldn't even consider participating in the competitive side of Overwatch if they didn't have fun.

A large reason the rift between these two sides of the community formed was likely the use of the term "low-effort content." While I believe that it accurately describes the creation of GIFs and the like, I can certainly see why the use of this term might tick a few off—it's condescending by nature. Though the term has been used for ages, I must concede that it wasn't proper to use in a discussion, and perhaps an alternative would be more appropriate.

Regardless, I think it should be clear by now that nobody is trying to be the fun-police. One side of the debate wants more opportunities for content such as articles, videos, and other media to be visible, while the other prefers GIFs and clips to maintain their position. Both want Overwatch to succeed. Both love Overwatch. Both will continue to love Overwatch.

And while SkyLine might have you believe that this situation was the "one worst thing that could happen to Overwatch esports," I firmly disagree. The situation allows members of the community to come forth and present their perspective, and ideally a common ground will be found. I believe that esports fans, content creators, competitive players, casual players, and people who haven't even purchased the game should all get their deserved attention, and I believe that this petition was the first step in achieving this.

#1
16 Frags +

The esport attention/content "issue" will resolve itself organically once blizzard starts marketing tournaments to casual players, especially once their overwatch league starts up. Right now the only tournament that's well produced and has all the best teams in the world in is live at 2/5 AM in the US, and most of the teams in it are korean. No wonder the casual overwatch player doesn't give a shit. That will change.

The esport attention/content "issue" will resolve itself organically once blizzard starts marketing tournaments to casual players, especially once their overwatch league starts up. Right now the only tournament that's well produced and has all the best teams in the world in is live at 2/5 AM in the US, and most of the teams in it are korean. No wonder the casual overwatch player doesn't give a shit. That will change.
#2
9 Frags +

Can't wait to see the next top /r/Overwatch thread.

"Writer at over.gg abuses authority to spread misinformation about our community!"

Can't wait to see the next top /r/Overwatch thread.

"Writer at over.gg abuses authority to spread misinformation about our community!"
#3
10 Frags +

The worst part of the argument from my point of view is that people genuinely seem to believe that there isn't any 'high-effort' content out there.

I've seen a number of upvoted posts saying that without PotG gifs there would be nothing on the subreddit. They think that because the high-effort content gets drowned out, goes by unnoticed, and people have simply given up posting to r/Overwatch as a result, it does not exist.

The worst part of the argument from my point of view is that people genuinely seem to believe that there isn't any 'high-effort' content out there.

I've seen a number of upvoted posts saying that without PotG gifs there would be nothing on the subreddit. They think that because the high-effort content gets drowned out, goes by unnoticed, and people have simply given up posting to r/Overwatch as a result, it does not exist.
#4
0 Frags +

There's always people that carry the banner of playing casually and those who tryhard push to GM, but for the most part, the real competitive scene lies with the people that actually want to join a real team. Ranked is IMO the real midland for casual and comp.

I'm not sure why upset people who don't want to see PotGs on r/Overwatch have to get so upset, that's why most game subreddits have filters. It's there for a reason, use it.

(on a side note, the title for this editorial looks like another TFTV thread)

There's always people that carry the banner of playing casually and those who tryhard push to GM, but for the most part, the real competitive scene lies with the people that actually want to join a real team. Ranked is IMO the real midland for casual and comp.

I'm not sure why upset people who don't want to see PotGs on r/Overwatch have to get so upset, that's why most game subreddits have filters. It's there for a reason, use it.

(on a side note, the title for this editorial looks like another TFTV thread)
#5
0 Frags +

could someone link to the specific reddit thread(s) that this is referring to (?) for those of us who don't go to reddit frequently?

could someone link to the specific reddit thread(s) that this is referring to (?) for those of us who don't go to reddit frequently?
#6
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ideekaeThere's always people that carry the banner of playing casually and those who tryhard push to GM, but for the most part, the real competitive scene lies with the people that actually want to join a real team. Ranked is IMO the real midland for casual and comp.

I'm not sure why upset people who don't want to see PotGs on r/Overwatch have to get so upset, that's why most game subreddits have filters. It's there for a reason, use it.

(on a side note, the title for this editorial looks like another TFTV thread)

If people haven't been exposed to this kind of content in the past they won't necessarily seek out and filter for that content regardless of whether or not they would enjoy it. It's about reaching that demographic.

In regards to the article, I agree that it doesn't even have to be an argument of "competitive vs casual". I'd go far as to say that there would be a lot of high quality content aimed at a "casuals"is missing out on a lot of because of the low effort, easily digested content that floods that particular sub reddit.

[quote=ideekae]There's always people that carry the banner of playing casually and those who tryhard push to GM, but for the most part, the real competitive scene lies with the people that actually want to join a real team. Ranked is IMO the real midland for casual and comp.

I'm not sure why upset people who don't want to see PotGs on r/Overwatch have to get so upset, that's why most game subreddits have filters. It's there for a reason, use it.

(on a side note, the title for this editorial looks like another TFTV thread)[/quote]

If people haven't been exposed to this kind of content in the past they won't necessarily seek out and filter for that content regardless of whether or not they would enjoy it. It's about reaching that demographic.

In regards to the article, I agree that it doesn't even have to be an argument of "competitive vs casual". I'd go far as to say that there would be a lot of high quality content aimed at a "casuals"is missing out on a lot of because of the low effort, easily digested content that floods that particular sub reddit.
#7
5 Frags +
tabfancould someone link to the specific reddit thread(s) that this is referring to (?) for those of us who don't go to reddit frequently?

Monte's original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/5u1m30/lets_chat_about_roverwatch/
r/overwatch post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/5u6o56/meta_montecristo_is_attempting_to_pressure/\
harsha's video on it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/5uds1g/the_letter_to_the_moderators_of_roverwatch/

[quote=tabfan]could someone link to the specific reddit thread(s) that this is referring to (?) for those of us who don't go to reddit frequently?[/quote]
Monte's original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/5u1m30/lets_chat_about_roverwatch/
r/overwatch post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/5u6o56/meta_montecristo_is_attempting_to_pressure/\
harsha's video on it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/5uds1g/the_letter_to_the_moderators_of_roverwatch/
#8
2 Frags +
Sideshowpeople genuinely seem to believe that there isn't any 'high-effort' content out there.

have they even seen stanky????????

[quote=Sideshow]people genuinely seem to believe that there isn't any 'high-effort' content out there.[/quote]
have they even seen stanky????????
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