Then it begs the question, why do this? if you're going to have them all playing against each other have one league and hey man, we can't all be massive positive OWL fanboys like you we do need a bit of negativity as well, something you clearly know nothing about.

When it comes to sports Americans never do anything simple, ever. They complicate the shit out of everything that doesn't need complicating, the entire point of the OWL was to get the 12 best teams playing against each other, how can you possibly complicate that?

This guy boosted people for money and is public enemy number 1, Dafran was the most toxic piece of shit in the entire pro OW scene (in public) because he thought it was funny to ruin the game for other people and he's a legend people want in the OWL.

Hilarious.

Maybe it's because when it comes to clothing I'm a simple boring man but I definitely like those shirts, I'm sure we will see more crazy unique shit in the future with crazy designs but start off simple and see how it pans out, I can see myself wearing most of these but that Excelsior is complete dog shit.

Depends what way you look at it, the in game quality won't be no but people didn't pump 20 million dollars into OWL for good games and you honestly can't sit there and tell me us British folk will support this full Korean lineup enough for C9 and its backers to make any money from it.

Britain barely turn up on LAN to support British teams, the fact Blizzard expect them to turn up and support a full Korean roster is a disaster whatever way you sugar coat it.

What, you don't think the Brits will flock into the local arena to support the 12 man Korean roster playing for an American organization in London for OWL season 2?

Full Korean line up playing for an American organization for the London spot with 12 players.

Honestly, on paper this OWL is a disaster waiting to happen but would love to see it work.

That's because there just isn't that many top level American players compared to KR and EU really, imagine if the league was full of US players it would be complete dog shit, sure the balance is all out of whack but Americans just ain't as good as Koreans and Europeans for the most part.

I agree, the colours definitely don't scream spitfire to me, could've gone with the red/white/blue logo they have on the plane or even a bit of camo, this colour set looks cool but there's no UK or spitfire in it. Think they missed the boat not going for the UK colours being a UK team, it's a bit like the Shanghai Dragons going for blue and white instead of red and gold.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Korea have ever had a team playing a game similar to an FPS compete with anyone remotely good outside of Asia, question isn't are Koreans really that good the question should be are Koreans really that good outside of Korea, thinking back to all the big fps titles over the years going all the way back to Quake 3, UT and 1.5 etc Koreans are almost non-existent if existent period.

Let's see how they perform outside of Asia against the best of the world before we start jizzing all over them, people on this site rate the shit out of Asian teams like the Chinese teams yet they've done absolutely nothing against non-Asians outside of Asia, the sample size is very small yet people still hype the shit out of Asians for some reason.

Nevix in Shock.

Very good pickup for them though.

Chances are the Korean coaches will all speak Korean, who will be the one communicating in English in that sense? these Korean squads absolutely need someone who can speak both Korean and English that will not only help inside of tournaments but more important outside of them.

Got to remember these Korean players probably know zero English, imagine walking about or doing every day things in America with zero English? that's why.

So you honestly think there won't be any full Korean/Swedish etc rosters in S2? naive.

So when I say something I'm ranting yet you just said the exact same thing before backtracking when you put your OWL fanboy hat on.

Being a New Yorker, its just not a team I see myself rooting for, and I can tell a lot of fans in London may feel the same way. >

Despite what I say about the NY team, and how I'm not happy that it's all Korean, I'm still gonna support them.>

So anyone other than yourself agreeing with that is ranting and most likely being negative towards the mighty OWL? fucking hilarious.

Think that's the problem with OWL, how many teams will people want to support? can't see too many Americans rolling out to support a full Korean lineup or even Misfits if they get in, imagine if OWL does explode and home games are played in NY in arenas with around 4k people, how many will turn up to watch this full Korean roster?

Think the Boston folk are dying to turn up to support the Boston Uprising?

Scratch that, seems that little logo isn't even final, delete this!

Indeed.

adjective, Latin.
ever upward: motto of New York State.

Guess it makes sense, still a shit name though.

I guess he means a big name to draw some interest, like the over.gg mascot Seagull or even a Taimou/Linkzr etc, someone on that team you could say that no matter how bang average the roster is at least this guy is a star.

Is there any need for 2 assistant coaches to the head coach? 1 at most but 2 is overkill, 8 man roster with 4 staff members is a bit too much.

Indeed, going to be fun if we get a season 2 in OWL with the home cities in action and see how many of the yanks turn up to watch all the Korean players.

Yeah, because 3 koreans obviously spoke English when playing in Korea.

Where is my Polish friend that was defending HuK to hell and back? you could probably make about 6 teams far superior than this based on free agents, did he try his hardest to make the worst OWL team or something?

You mean white police brutality against black citizens because it isn't brutality if it's black on black or black on white, then it's just normal.

Do these NFL players even know what type of people they are protesting for? or do they just want to take a knee and be special because doing so in protest because some gang banging rapist murderer got killed by the police is fucking hilarious.

I said this before and people complained when I used Misfits as my example but hey, OWL is fantastic and I'm sure tons of New Yorkers will flock to see a full Korean lineup who don't speak English eh.

Not sure, people have been hyping Linkzr up since the start of OW and I'm not convinced, sure he had a good contenders but what else has he done, Misfits have zero dps backup thus far, any team will make use of him for sure but how many of the OWL teams will have him front and center?

Only the most hardcore EU OW players who don't rely on it as an income will play in the contenders season 2 because I can't see any org picking up any team and the league itself will be full of mix teams of players pissed off they didn't get into the OWL and they have to build themselves up for the small chance that OWL does succeed and they expand the league to more teams, massive risk to take for these players.

Blizzard has taken a massive shit on the European scene and I'll be surprised if there is any come season 2 of contenders.

I still think Linkzr is a good backup to have, as good as TviQ is I'm still not 100% convinced he's good enough long enough to compete with the best in OWL and unless I missed them recruiting someone else they only have him and Logix on DPS so always good to add another option because if TviQ does have a slump they are in deep shit.

Still not quite sure why Boston went for a cluster fuck of a lineup rather than snapping up the entire Gigantti roster.

S2 will be a league full of pugs with no organization supporting them, why would they? you wouldn't hire a team like this that formed a month in advance then pay them a salary knowing come next OWL season they will be free agents and you will get nothing for them and any European org will most likely not have the funds available for an OWL spot.

S2 EU will be a mix league for players to pimp themselves to the OWL teams without any financial support, wouldn't be surprised if we see teams dropping like flies after 2 losses.

Did he not play in the Overwatch Open LAN with Reunited? you guys are acting like there has been a ton of LAN events and he's avoided them, how many has there been and how many did Reunited qualify for and he avoided?

What LANS did he dodge?

Downvoting someone because they disagree with your opinion is a retarded as fuck system though, I've seen people saying useless shit with 6 +'s yet soon as 1 guy says Seagull ain't all that he suddenly has -6.

Have your own opinion that Seagull is the best in the world, but downvoting someone because they disagree with you? that's different. He's getting mad that people on this site are petty as fuck and need to stop riding the boaby of Seagull.

OMFG SOMEONE SAID SEAGULL WAS BAD TIME TO DOWNVOTE.

If that shit ain't immature then I don't know what is.

Even in NRG back when he was playing I still didn't get the feeling he was as good as everyone claims he is, not saying he's bad but definitely not THAT good, there's a ton of better players out there with very little fan base that don't get anywhere near as much hype and attention as Seagull.

Twitch chat is full of absolute cancer, HLTV is where those people go.

Great site but horrific community.

In that case about half of OWL will consist of 4 amazing teams picked because of skill and the other half will be teams consisting of friends, can't wait.

It's amazing as long as your opinion is the same as the masses and you never disagree with anyone, other than that it's petty as fuck but hey it's good fun.

Good example is anyone not riding the schlong of Seagull will be downvoted.

Damn this dude finna be the first overgg user to get a negative star >

Nah this guy ain't got shit on me.

Isn't a dumb idea, question is what for? will Blizzard even have a Contenders S2 for Europe when after Misfits move to US we will only have one or two officially signed teams in Gigantti and maybe GO? rest are just a mix that you can never guarantee will finish the season then it's just a shit show.

I would like to see winz and AKM playing with Nevix and the C9 guys but who knows. It also relies on OWL being a massive success so they will expand the league to more teams because if Rogue as is couldn't do enough to get into the OWL then any mix team will never come close to it.

These Europeans will have to play in mix teams with probably no official support from any orgs for a year and hope the OWL blows up and they get snapped up, massive gamble to take for me.

Mate, I wouldn't be surprised if that roster gets an OWL slot over Rogue, honestly wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

In before Boston Renegades gets revealed tomorrow.

They picked a bad place for it really, I mean what have NA done in e-sports over the years across the big games, I saw some e-sports earnings per country graph and half of what the USA has made in e-sports is from consoles with the vast majority of the other half being from 1 DOTA tournament, it sums it up perfectly but the problem is, would European companies be putting $20M into an OWL spot? no because they have sense.

When you look at half the rosters full of average Americans then see better Europeans out there free agents it makes a mockery of the OWL, I've said since day one I wasn't expecting the OWL to take off and I stand by that.

Part that blows my mind is Rogue ticked every box Blizzard required yet they declined them? unless Rogue are talking shit then why on earth would Blizzard not let them into the OWL if they had the finances available? from what I've seen this OWL has about 4 good teams with a massive gap between the rest, with the way Europeans seem to have been thrown to the side with no fucks given I genuinely hope this OWL league goes to shit.

You know nothing about what HuK is doing in Boston or who he has signed, you know nothing about the team hulk would've put together yet still said it would be a "bad roster" so in other words, you don't know shit.

I didn't bother to research HuK no because he's done nothing in OW, there's nothing to research.

hulk = played an important role in the forming of the now envyus roster which is considered by many one of the best teams in the world and won APEX just to name a few.

huk = played SC2, scrimmed with pros, gm for toronto e-sports and analyst for a few OW events over a year ago.

Sorry you are right, I would clearly pick huk over hulk, close the thread I'm sorry.

Also "picking" a roster and actually being able to sign them and doing all the business work is a different deal than anything you could do as a former coach or player.>

Indeed, yet you think huk is doing all that? I'm sure I read he was in charge of picking the talent I find it hard to believe he's doing all the business work involved in putting it all together but hey, who knows? you can sit there and talk all you want about how huk is the man for the job and I'll do the opposite, who is right and who is wrong?

Neither me nor you know shit, I can accept that yet you along with everyone else on this forum can't. You know nothing about his role in Boston and you can say hulk would put together a bad roster just as much as I can say the same about huk, you are full of as much shit as me, accept it.

After leaving his job as a school coach, Mourinho looked for a path into professional management in his hometown and became youth team coach at Vitória de Setúbal in the early 1990s. Later he accepted the position of assistant manager at Estrela da Amadora,[20] then was a scout at Ovarense. Then, in 1992, an opportunity arose to work as a translator for a top foreign coach>

Mourinho did everything at the lowest level before impressing as a coach then getting hired to be the assistant before impressing before getting hired to be the manager, that is called working your way up and is standard.

Not even sure why we are talking about Mourinho in a HuK/Boston thread to be fair, HuK was analyst for OW then did nothihg for about half a year then suddenly gets the task of putting together a team for Boston, you think that's standard?

I never said anything about HuK coaching the team? I said picking the team and me saying he probably ain't the best for the job isn't shitting on him, me saying he's a shit player and analyst who never made it as a pro is shitting on him, me asking why him of all people is a question and nothing more, LUL.

Dude you were the one who whether he was invested in OW from the start or not. I answered your question>

What has HuK done this year? afaik everything he done was in 2016.

Also the conversation is pointless if you think a liquipedia paragraph is enough credentials for you to hand over your multi million dollar investement.>

Yet it's not pointless if you think scrimming with pros, playing for Canada in a micky mouse cup and being GM of an e-sports org nobody cares about is enough to hand your multi million dollar investment to right?

You'd end up with a pretty bad roster then LUL>

You said this about internethulk earlier in the thread, based on what? tell us all why hulk would pick a bad roster yet huk wouldn't, I fucking beg you to.

High rated? don't mean shit son you're either a pro or you ain't, how many "high rated" players does OW have that ain't in top teams? scrims with pros? and that lead to what exactly, nothing.

OWWC? do I have to remind you who played for UK? a famous youtuber, who takes the OWWC seriously and who lists it as an achievement to pick a $20m team?

Where has HuK been since the start of OW? how many times have you heard him casting anything or doing analysis? why wasn't he at APEX or having anything to do with contenders or anything for the longest time, because he's that good?

I wasn't shitting on the guy I'm merely asking the question why him, you trying to tell me he is a better option than the hulk? according to the liquid wiki

"INTERNETHULK (or Hulk) was a key part and founder of the IDDQD core that was dominant in the early stages of Professional Overwatch. They were later signed to Team EnVyUs[1], and continued their dominating performance. He would go on to win APEX Season 1 and MLG Vegas 2016 with the team in late 2016."

That little paragraph is already enough in my opinion to tell me who I would rather have in charge of Boston, a guy who played scrims with "pros" and was part of a micky mouse competition in the OWWC who was GM of an e-sports team nobody gives a fuck about and was an analyst for about two events.

Who said the coach couldn't be affiliated with a team? trying to tell me some coach with a good team wouldn't jump at the chance to be in charge of the Boston roster?

You should read the Mourinho wikipedia mate the guy was more than a translator before getting a shot at management.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mourinho#Coaching_career

There's more than enough coaches in OW who have accomplished more than HuK has, which is nothing, at least a coach has had to do something inside the game such as look after players and most likely watch vod's/scout opposition and know what's going on, unless HuK has been heavily invested in OW since release and knows everything about anything I still can't see why he got handed the responsibility, then again this OWL is slowly turning into a case of who you know and not what you deserve so I guess he brown nosed the right folk.

Either way, let's wait and see what team Boston has before talking shit about the guy.

Mourinho worked under two very good and experienced managers at 3 or 4 big clubs in Europe and obviously learnt how to manage/coach before getting his chances in his homeland and doing well, he was also a coach before becoming a translator at youth level so he worked his way up before getting his chance.

What has HuK done in OW?

If we go by that logic he might as well play in the OWL himself because maybe, just maybe he's actually the best DPS in the world, if we say maybe this and maybe that we can come out with all sorts of crazy out of this world shit, fact of the matter remains, HuK has done fuck all in OW and this is a suicidal gamble by people who just spent $20m on, if reports are to be believed, a waste of money.

Ok first tell me what HuK has done in OW apart from be an analyst once or twice.

Wait wtf? something bad mustv'e happened or he's turned toxic af if he ain't even being considered as a sub for Rogue, sure bring in a new face or two I feel they need it but to drop AKM completely from OWL? wonder who else might be getting dropped then.

I know Hulk did nothing as a coach but I mean the fact he was asked to go and help people like Rogue just tells me people think highly of him or I could be wrong, either way I still feel there's better people out there to build a 20 million dollar OW team than HuK but I hope he proves me wrong.

So we get most of the best NA and EU has to offer on LAN and won't see the likes of Misfits taking on EnvyUs? bullshit. They should've had the seasons linked so sure you can win your own section but to win the entire contenders season it puts EU vs NA.

I hope they do some crazy shit with this showmatch and have like 4 tracers vs 4 tracers then 4 genjis vs 4 genjis be fucking awesome, or maybe it's just me. I'd swap Nevix with Hafficool for EU.

Possibly, but I'll be surprised really, it ain't like he said they will finish last he's basically saying they are a tier or two behind the rest as in a massive gap, hope that ain't the case myself I definitely don't want to have a team in there getting stomped every week and neither does anyone else let alone the people pumping plus $20m into Boston.

He's either seen the roster and it's horrendously bad or he's talking shit to build up some hype because I'm sure lots of people are dying to see the roster after reading that, hopefully it's the latter.

At least the hulk has played at the highest level for OW and was obviously thought of highly to be offered a coaching role for Rogue who at the time also operated at the highest level, sure HuK has good experience in SC2 or whatever but in OW he's done nothing compared to the hulk, be surprised if he has any notable contacts in OW and if we believe this Harsha fella then they obviously suck if his team is considered THIS bad.