Here I am Pixelfish, there you are expecting OWL to be the dogs bollocks based on the fuck all information you've had thus far, I'll leave this for you to look at;

https://twitter.com/itsGamerDoc/status/889274060068323330

Also never said OW was dead, pretty sure dead and dying are two completely different words, or at least they are to me. Can't quite grasp the concept people have insisting OW isn't "dying" with all these teams disbanding but hey ho. Let's see what OWL will bring when it starts, might have 4 actual teams in it with the rest being a bunch of free agents, sounds fun right?

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Bought this few years ago, it really isn't loud and I'm sure I went for the silent keys plus I've spilt juice on the keys twice and everything still works, it has a numpad but no extra buttons, just a standard keyboard setup with RGB lights and cherry mx switches.

Rogue are probably 3rd best team in the world and moved to US some months ago and have already been claimed as NA, Misfits are a full Swedish team living in Europe who are actually pretty shit, you try telling me who people in Miami would rather see and do I care Misfits are Swedish? no why would I but I still don't see why a bunch of people will turn up to watch them live when a they are not NA and b they are not even that good but hey, I'll gladly be wrong.

That logic about Messi is the most retarded pile of dog shit I've ever read, Barcelona fans buy a Messi jersey because he's the biggest legend in the clubs history, you stop a bunch of people in the streets of Miami and ask them who Misfits are.

I don't doubt you Pixelfish, you just completely shoot down everything I say because I'm a pessimist and you're a complete optimist and you are clearly right here not me, how can you sit there and say people not paying attention is false based on nothing, as I said before how can 20k people who are actually OW fans turn in to watch the biggest online tournaments yet you suddenly expect 5 times that figure because Blizzard are advertising? come on man, you shoot me down for talking shit every chance you get yet being over optimistic based on your hopes rather than fact is just dumb.

No point talking shite every day, I've seen more pessimism regarding OWL than optimism so it ain't just me, let's see how it plays out in the future then we can come back here and see who was wrong.

"As for your questions to locality robokun, your issues actually make no sense! The games are all happening in LA for the first season, so there's no problem with lack of attendance at local venues. When those are implemented, it will be Overwatch fans/players turning up to watch, same as any other esport - they are just ALSO likely to capture some small chunk of the local wider esports or gaming fanbase."

In theory that works but considering we struggle to get 20k viewers for a big online tournament how are you so sure 6k will turn up in person when we get 20k from all over the world watching the best teams, because Blizzard will market it? will thousands of people sitting in LA suddenly think shit, Blizzard pumped out some advertising regarding OW I better go down in person and see it for myself! maybe but it isn't a guarantee.

Then next year what you got, people in Miami turning up in person to watch Misfits, a full Swedish team? dunno man doesn't quite add up to me but who knows, think the main problem OW has is how hard it is to watch for a casual so only the hardcore OW fans/players will turn up just like they do on streams, you show OW to someone new and it's an absolute cluster fuck that will blow their mind, how can Blizzard possibly do enough to convince people it's not, time will tell.

CS:GO is probably the second most popular e-sports title in the world or maybe third who knows and even then some venues are half empty and considering OW has never had a LAN with a crowd and we get 20k people online streams it's absolute madness to expect massive viewers and thousands turning up at LAN.

My biggest concern is the viewers, even people that play OW barely even watch the best matches and the most you see is 20k from all over the world, how do they expect people who probably don't even know about OW to turn up and watch a team from Sweden in Miami? how many sports fans in Miami will know who Misfits are? why would Americans turn up at a random city to watch 6 Koreans play? shit makes no sense to me really.

We've had some incredible matches in APEX and even online events yet viewers still stayed away, not sure why people think OWL will suddenly bring in hundreds of thousands especially when you have a team like NRG who last I checked are not even a team, don't they have 4 players and 1 who would rather earn money streaming than be one of the top players? NRG are a shit show and it's a disgrace they even have a spot.

Hollywood Hammers moved from Europe and I don't think they've won a match yet, will the Hollywood sports fans come to watch them live giving how poorly they are and how it's not a "superstar" team like C9 or EnvyUs? this entire franchise team thing is a giant cluster fuck but let's see how it pans out.

That is my point exactly "potential to be amazing" doesn't everything we know nothing about? this over-optimism based on nothing, why does it have potential to be amazing, because apparently teams are putting millions into it? I didn't say OW has died I said it has gone to shit, which is a fact if you ask any pro or anyone with a wee bit of common sense, a game with no LANs outside of Korea and orgs leaving every day is going to shit whatever way you want to put it.

It's hardly ridiculous, look at the troubles NRG have had trying to put a team together for how long now, and you think OWL teams will do this 8 times with success in quick time? come on, this league will be half a mish mash of random players playing together for the first time, how is that exciting? what exposure do you expect OW to get, do you want it on national TV and billboards mate? you get exposure by being exciting, by having a big LAN now and then people can get there teeth into, not everyone gives a shit about online tournaments yet it's all we have, plus the fact OW in EU has been pretty much dead for god knows how long you're left with NA.

Well I hope that guarantee comes true and the WC gets a ton of viewers and IF OWL works indeed, hell you don't even need a league like OWL to get interested just look at every other big e-sports title, if they can do it without it why can't OW? clutching at straws here.

I'm only pessimistic when I see people being so over-confident in OWL based on the almost zero bits of information we have regarding it, if you can be so over-optimistic based on nothing then I'm happy to balance it out with pessimism, it's all guessing at the end of the day yet people act like OWL will succeed based on what, at least the pessimistic folk have the fact orgs are dropping like flies to back our pessimism up, what information do you have that's making you so optimistic?

I can't think of an e-sports title that started off as slow as OW did, got worse then suddenly resurrected itself in spectacular fashion with a league nobody has ever tried before, so you can understand my and other peoples' pessimism.

Not quite sure why a franchise like Miami Dolphins would pump tens of millions of dollars into a game getting 20k viewers, only to pick up 6 completely random free agents and expect them to do well in a league without any practise, that's not called optimism that's called complete craziness.

I'm sorry, but the game HAS gone to shit, that's not hyperbole that is fact, whether or not it remains in the shit remains to be seen but as of now it's fact, ask any pro or open your eyes, nothing hyperbole here son.

You tell me how many LAN events you have watched of OW since release and how many teams have been dropped since release and tell me it's not gone to shit, please and thank you.

With the way Misfits are playing I wouldn't be surprised if they picked up the entire roster and dropped the Swedes.

That's all ifs buts and maybes though, when has something on this scale ever been achieved in e-sports? the way it is now has been the way since I can remember, orgs pick up players, form a team and attend LAN after LAN, look at CS:GO for example, did SC have this? I can't think of any big e-sports title that has yet everyone acts like it's the saving grace for OW based on the few tidbits of information we have so far, what do we even know about OWL?

People that think OWL will save OW know nothing and are merely hoping, what Blizzard are trying to do is absolutely massive requiring tens of millions of dollars, don't think it's a gimme it will work out and OW will suddenly transform into a massive e-sports title with hundreds of thousand of views and LAN's every month.

Keep dreaming.

Has there ever been an e-sports title that's went to shit as fast as OW has? every single day you expect to read about yet another org leaving the game and I won't be shocked if another does the same tomorrow.

Yet CS players are the exact same added in an extra ten thousand miles of flying every few months, or do they not scrim as well? the fact you don't have to fly to LAN's outside APEX and Take Over should be a massive benefit and why would teams scrim 6 hours a day 7 days a week knowing full well that leads to burnout? common sense costs nothing.

OWL might change a great deal if it involves a LAN every month or two which is a lot more than they are used to now, if you can't handle the current lack of LAN events how will you handle OWL? and if you can adjust your scrim schedule for OWL why not just adjust it now if you clearly feel burnt out?

Shit makes no sense to me and screams of excuses, Rogue flopped at Apex I guess it was burnout? EnvyUs looked shit but hey, burnt out I guess right? EnyvUs the team who have done pretty much squat before Apex should've went in there with full energy yet still flopped and claim burn out? fuck knows.

CS teams do so much more yet never once have I read about them suffering burnout.

Well if there are barely enough tournaments and players are getting burnt out surely that tells you something is wrong? maybe playing 10 hours a day doesn't make sense if you cry fatigue and need a break, just saying. Can't imagine EnvyUs practising that much every day at least not based on body language, ever seen them pissed when they lose a map/game? I see them smiling constantly even after getting hammered, to me that tells me they barely give a shit and the problem with them is motivation/boredom rather than burnout but who knows.

How are players getting burnt out? we've barely had tournaments in OW at least not of the LAN nature and just before christmas teams had played half a dozen games in 6 months, look at CS teams flying all over the world for LAN after LAN yet OW teams who play 1 tournament every few months online are burnt out, eh?

What did Rogue do before they moved to NA? look at the EnvyUs match history page here, one page covers an entire year yet they are burnt out? if that's the case how are they gonna handle the OWL if it's LAN if attending 2 LAN a year burn you out.

Sad when someone like NRG have a spot when they don't even have a team and have been pretty much embarrassing for what feels like ages now and all these teams are dropping like flies that deserve the spot more, but hey money talks, I wonder how many good teams will miss out on the league because they can't pump 20M or whatever into it and what happens to them.

At this rate the only European team I see competing will be eUnited, even then that's not a gimme.

Announced much? what have they actually announced like? aye it's very likely they have something great planned since they have told us right? or wait, we are just guessing and hoping they do and not every big e-sport venture turns out "very well" so don't think this will based on the almost zero information you have thus far.

"obviously" secured investors yet that doesn't exactly mean they have an endless money pit, hell they might not even invest much at all who knows? the fact they are a franchise worth billions doesn't mean jack, AMD are worth millions yet pump 500 dollars into tournaments.

The more the scene will die, isn't it already dying? how many worldwide e-sports organizations do you know that exist inside OW? Enyvus and who else, all we see are teams dropping like flies yet how often do we see teams get picked up by big orgs?

I fail to see how OW can turn out to be a huge e-sport success, will 500k people suddenly crawl out of the woodwork when OWL stream matches? how many we getting now about 20k on a good day compared to games like CS and shit getting hundreds of thousands, do you honestly expect those numbers for OW? can't imagine the Miami Dolphins pumping millions into OWL for 50k people watching.

But hey let's just assume everything is going great and OWL will be the dogs' bollocks based on the zero information we have had thus far, last thing we want is to be pessimistic right, hopefully by the time OWL actually goes live there will be teams alive to join it, at this rate OWL better start quick.

Didn't they spend an absolute age teasing us about an OW roster, ended up picking a bunch of nobodies, did absolutely nothing with it then bailed after a month or two? I like how most orgs that bail out always say "we ain't giving up on ow" just to keep whatever ow fans they gained on board.

To be fair to KuroiRyuu9625 he's predicted teams 90% of people would pick the problem is this is a day of upsets which in turn makes Kuro look like he hasn't got a scooby which isn't fair, either way have Movistar went to shit since making that change last week or so, have they dont much since? even when winning they barely looked good yet few weeks back they looked awesome even in defeat, what was the point in the change when they kept putting in some great performances and beating top teams, it's backfired.

You mentioned them as can't get in not them not wanting in and said if they pick teams up it's because they want into OWL, if teams wanted into OWL they wouldn't be dropping teams would they, I've not seen a single news post of an org picking up a team because they want into OWL but time will tell, as I said before it's one way traffic and I can't see that changing, would the dolphins and patriots pick up a team like 123? makes zero sense, why would a brand like this pick up anything other than an elite team capable of winning OWL?

Wouldn't they rather sign Rogue or something? or are Rogue putting up the millions themselves for a spot?

Do we still know for sure they can't get into OWL or more like don't want to? two different things and from my perspective it's the latter, if these reports are true of the millions of dollars to buy a spot how many of these teams do you expect to see in the OWL.

For me it's one way traffic, teams are being dropped left and right without any new ones being picked up and I can only see that trend following, I'll be shocked if some orgs come into OW any time soon and pick up teams especially if those reports regarding OWL are to be believed.

Signed by who? I'm not up to date on OW news and all that but from what I see it's orgs getting rid of teams not signing them, how many have been signed recently? I can't think of any big org in Europe who has an ow team and can't see that changing so the odds are slim at least in my eyes.