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These latest bans that Blizzard are handing out
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So recently there's been some seriously high profile players banned, the latest being xQc, getting 3 days banned for false reporting. I get that they're trying to make examples of people, but when the system you've got is a broken as it is, this is just gonna push people away. I don't think anyone at any level of the game seriously believes the reporting system works properly, and banning someone for 3 days for it, when there's incredibly toxic people, throwers, etc, who aren't streamers, that can just get away with it.

Blizzard need to fix the ranked system first, make sure it's a decent environment for everyone, THEN make the examples of the high profile people who misuse it. You need to have the people on your side first, otherwise you alienate even more people and make the problem worse.

I know Jeff says the reporting system is working and people need to use it, but frankly I've not seen any evidence see centre of it. All I've seen is a few streamers get banned for very borderline offenses, while every session I play I get at least one game with someone screaming abuse down their mic.

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Also, they banned xQc mid game, ruining the game for his teammates at the time. That's not really going to encourage people to use the report system if there's a chance you'll end up 5v6 because of it.

They need to implement the in-game feedback that they've been talking about for months. So when you log in, if someone you've reported has been suspended/banned, a notification pops up letting you know. Slowly but surely people would begin to believe their reports are having an impact

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wait wth?? Can anyone provide more in depth detailing of high profile bans? I just want to get the whole picture.

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I'm actually extremely disappointed with Blizzard for this. I don't even watch xQc's stream

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He did deserve the ban when you watch what he did, but the way it's been handledby blizzard is terrible

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I'm disappointed with Blizzard. The only reason people treat the reporting system as a joke is because it is one. Maybe if they spent less time browsing r/overwatch and more time dealing with legitimate reports concerning throwers, cheaters and one tricks streamers wouldn't take the piss and send reports to entertain their viewers . Instead of punishing those who are actually ruining the competitive experience (throwers, cheaters and one tricks) , Blizzard is punishing a high profile player to make it look as if they are doing something.To add insult to injury xQc was banned for 72 hours, whilst most throwers/cheaters/one tricks avoid bans completely or get only 24 hour bans. So apparently reporting people for throwing is a worse crime than throwing itself? Also they should not ban players mid-match, as while the player may deserve it, their 5 teammates don't deserve the inevitable loss.

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I said the same thing. The truly sad part is it will work. The majority of the community will agree with Blizzard and will believe the bullshit. It's brilliant PR but it is paper thin PR. Whoever is in charge of the public perception of the game is doing a nice job of making people think the game is doing positive things.

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I don't know that it will work though. Maybe in the short term, but as soon as people realise there's as many trolls and throwers as ever, they'll be back to believing reporting is useless

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Well yeah...That's why I said it's paper thin. It'll appease people for now but until there is real action, nothing will change.

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XQc got banned? I didn’t even know. What happened?

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reporting people for the memes.

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This basically, he deserved the ban for sure, but once again Blizzard have gone about it in the most ham-fisted way possible

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I have seen him multiple times reporting mercy or junkrat players for "cheating". This is just a misuse of the reporting function. I am glad that Blizzard took action against this bullshit of XQC.
I really don't know what XQC is thinking when he does something like that. A OWL-player can't afford a ban just for the lulz.

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Unless you can pull a clip of him reporting someone, who isn't cheating, for cheating, I'd suggest you refrain from saying this. I watch his stream quite often and he cancels a bunch of his reports, he just does it for the memes.
The fact of the matter is, he reported a Sym one trick not joining voice chat, and I'm interested in knowing if that account got banned, cause if not, this whole thing is a joke.

Yes, he deserves some kind of action for what he did, but suspending people who actually ruin comp games for their fun for 1 day, and giving him a 3 day ban makes absolutely no sense. This is scapegoating at its finest. Using the popular streamer to send a message. He's been doing it, and countless others (I emphasize on this), since the start of the game, so now they decide to take action when it's a legitimate report ? How he reported is absolutely not right, the why is totally legitimate.

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Wait what the actual fuck, you honestly wonder if Blizzard banned an account because the dude stayed on 1 character and didn't join voice chat? jesus christ. It seems the vast majority in here say the same about xQc and that he deserves it and I've seen other people saying he's a twat on Twitch so the general consensus is, he's a twat and most likely deserved it, but hey don't ban someone for abusing the system just ban the guy refusing to join voice chat, hilarious.

As far as I know playing one character and not joining voice chat isn't against any Blizzard ToS so saying this is a "legitimate report" is completely delusional.

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Yes, that's EXACTLY what poor teamwork reporting is for. If you missed it go look for a blue post on the battlenet forums explaining it. If you lock a detrimental to the team comp hero and refuse to join voice chat and at least help with comms, you get the ban too.
HOW SURPRISING FOR A TEAM GAME TO ACTUALLY RELY ON TEAM PLAY SHERLOCK. But sure, enlighten me bud.

And that's the general consensus for people who don't like him, he wouldn't have 5+k subs and pull 6-7k viewers daily if the general consensus was he was a twat now would he ?
He does deserve some sort of a ban, not a 3 day.

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Yeah but sym and even torb are actually viable picks if the players know what they are doing. Yes even on king of the hill. And even on attack. And the voice chat thing well I understand why alot of one tricks would not want to join voice. Poor teamwork yes but understandable.

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The point isn’t that they aren’t viable. It’s just they aren’t working with their team at all, which is why stevo got banned.

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I see what you mean, but those heroes are viable in certain scenarios only. Once they stop working, those people refuse to swap, leave voice (if they ever join it) and keep on playing, or in some cases jump off the map/run at the enemy with a hammer equipped etc.

That is in fact the problem with some one tricks. You can't force teams to play around you for you to play whatever hero you wanna play, that's extremely selfish, and makes some people tilt relatively easily.
Sometimes you gotta compromise, and you'd be surprised how many people would be friendlier to one tricks if they were willing to swap when they're not doing anything in a game.

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The reason he got a 3day ban is because this isn't his first ban, he was previously banned for 24hr for abusive chat in team voice comm. Maybe this action itself only warranted a 1day ban but the way their system works if you were already banned once for 24hr, next one is 72hr.

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Lol, i am not refraining nor do i search for a clip. I watch him for hours every week and i saw it at least 2 times in the last 2 or 3 weeks, where he reported a enemy mercy or junkrat for "cheating" just because he was pissed. Believe it or not.

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Get the clip where he actually reports them for cheating. He may report them for griefing or poor teamwork, but not for cheating.

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Your really expect me to search hours of his content to prove my point? Certainly not.

But reporting a ENEMY Player just because this Player was doing good is misuse of the function nevertheless.

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Don't say it if you can't back it up then. Plain and simple. This is how false rumours start.

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for example here
https://youtu.be/Zrnb2inckwk?t=222
it's on 3:42 if video will start from the beginning
reported symm for poor tw, grif and also cheating, and a nice comments in the feedback

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Do you actually know why he reported that guy before the game even started or not ? He had him the games before and he refused to join voice chat and work with them at all, actually threw the game. Put context into clips instead of just blindly sharing them ;)

And 'fuck you' actually shocks people now. Please.
It certainly isn't the nicest thing but reading match chats and hearing voice chats, I'm pretty sure way worse things have been said.
But hey, how do we send a message to the largest number of people possible with minimum thought ? Let's just ban the guy with 8k viewers for 3 days, that'll make people stop wrongfully using the report system. KEK.

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You wanted proof that he reported someone for cheating who definitly wasn't cheating at all and you got it. The Sym might be a thrower and griefer, but not a cheater.

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I have seen him multiple times reporting mercy or junkrat players for "cheating"

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I'll say this though, I didn't see that at the time, but I would've probably done the same after watching the VOD. Playing with/against a thrower multiple times in a row has its limits on one's patience. He went too far, but Blizzard went even further.

A random guy takes a clip out of context and literally gets a pro player suspended.
https://twitter.com/ryanshearer7997/status/931702771354660865

Sad days and stellar work from the Blizzard management team.

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lol he reported that symmetra for "poor teamwork" this was like 5th game that they were in his game and I think the third time that he reported them for the same thing.

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i mean the ban was pretty deserved.

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Isn't this xQc in the OWL? but hey he's popular right he can do what the hell he wants.

How can one say the system doesn't work when it banned someone for abusing it? how can one say toxic people don't get banned unless you have them all on your list and can verify that? how does one know thousands of people ain't getting banned on a monthly basis?

It was the same issue with wow, people going on forums saying the system isn't working just because Blizzard aren't transparent in who they ban, when they ban and why they ban them, they keep that shit secret yet secret doesn't mean it isn't working.

I highly doubt they banned this immature prick because he's a streamer considering he's in the OWL and has a good fan base of 12 year olds behind him, he abused the system and got punished for it and to me it's incredibly simple.

I know Jeff says the reporting system is working and people need to use it, but frankly I've not seen any evidence see centre of it. All I've seen is a few streamers get banned for very borderline offenses, while every session I play I get at least one game with someone screaming abuse down their mic.>

That's the problem as I said above with Blizzard not not detailing every ban etc but they never have and never will, just because there isn't any evidence it works doesn't mean nobody gets banned, I've been banned playing wow for "toxic banter" with people obviously come about from reports, it works.

If enough people report that guy screaming abuse down the mic he will get banned as well, how do you know enough reported him, how do you know he didn't get banned? that's the problem, unless we see results we assume nothing happens.

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he didn't get banned for being toxic, lul.

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I can tell you they don't get banned because there are no stories of it. Nobody stops doing it because they've heard about people getting banned. Nobody gets small bans so they fix their behavior and the same people get in your games over and over and over again.

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Imho if he was spamming report as meme he deservea it! I like how Blizzard is going hard...now he has to do it with all rank and not only big ones

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Let me start by saying that some kind of punishment is completely warranted in this case. The way he's been reporting isn't fine and should be addressed. I too turn off his stream when he goes too far sometimes, but this isn't the way to rid the community of toxicity. You think the guy jumps on the grind every morning waiting to be toxic to random people ?

The irony in this is, 30 or so minutes prior to his ban, his computer crashed for like 3 minutes, came back to his game, WON IT, and STILL lost 50 SR. Also, as he said, he's been stream sniped (which is fine on its own) by a guy (Gabe2004) who'd throw when on his team constantly, and tryhard (7) when against him, and it took 2 months before he got banned.
Reddit makes one post, and he gets banned within the day.

Maybe before laying down the bans, Blizzard needs to look into its ranked system. Matchmaking in higher ranks has been a joke for what, 4 seasons now ? xQc got put in (less than a 4 minute queue at that iirc) with a BRONZE and a bunch of plats after the last patch hit. A fucking bronze. And to whoever says 'Oh but that happens every time a patch hits, MM is just bugged'. That is not OK! Has been going for months.

And the biggest joke of all, THEY BANNED HIM MID-GAME. I could name you, off the top of my head, 5 or 6 people involved in OWL (plus big name streamers) who have been 'wrongfully using the report system'/toxic/throwing btw. The only one who got it was the guy with 8-9k viewers, that's a third of OW viewership on twitch at the time.
Sending a message is fine, great even, scapegoating isn't. People are free to dislike the person, but shouldn't act like they've never been bad teammates just because what they do isn't available to the public.

People are so quick to ride the ban one tricks train, but when it's Stevo or Fuey everyone starts crying about it. If you think this will affect how lower ranked people will behave, you're sadly mistaken. They're using the big name to hopefully make everyone behave imo, but that's wishful thinking to say the least.

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even if ranked is broken (it is, and thats why i dont play it) if he deserved ban he should get banned and that should be the end of a story

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I dont understand how people can defend someone and then saying that Blizzard is doing nothing....he deserves the ban and it will make comepitive better end of the story...(mid'-game ban not a good choices anyway)

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Either you ban everyone for doing the same thing or you don't. The process of going through all reports is obviously very exhausting, but shouldn't make one person pay (more then others that do worse things) and let others slide.

To all the people saying this will work, Dafran got banned for a full season, and there are arguably more throwers now than when he was playing. So please, don't be so naive as to this being a symbol for change in community behaviour.
People will still troll in reports and in general, still throw, still be toxic.

Let's say Sinatraa, JAKE or Flame got banned, do you think this topic would've gained the same traction ? Heeeeeeeellz fucking no. This is their plan, and it ain't a good one.

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I know this thread is about xqc basicly but the title and first post are a little more abstract so I'll bring up: Fuey500 a torb one trick streamer who has always tried to win, been positive in every game, and gotten decently high (pretty sure multiple times into top500) was banned for a day for "disruptive gameplay".

I understand one tricks are a hot topic but let the point be made that the guy is good enough to repeatedly get top 500 and I have never seen him be even slightly toxic on stream. I watch a few one trick streamers and find them incredibly fun and refreshing to watch because frankly I cant see the same thing anywhere and it really gives you an idea of what is possible when you ignore the meta and still try. I hope that one tricking does not become a bannable offense and maybe blizzard could make a ROLE SELECT function so that hey maybe you get a longer que but at least people can get a functional comp.

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This isn't about toxicity though, xQc didn't get banned for toxicity either. I've watched Fuey multiple times and he's one of the nicest guys and very good at Torb. But he doesn't swap off Torb when he needs to/his team wants him to. Makes people tilt and rightfully so.
I've heard people be really mean to him on stream and it's a big feelsbad, but what do you do when you need to run dive and you have a Torb that refuses to swap ? Do you just take the L instead of actually trying to win the game ?

It's a big circle. You one trick niche heroes -> people get tilted -> people are toxic towards you (some sadly push it too far) -> you give up on joining voice chat (in some cases) -> people get even more tilted.
Add 2 heroes to your hero pool, and everything will be way better. One tricks are selfish, and it's the sad truth.

I agree with the role select though, would make ranked that much more bearable for most people.

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🤬🤬 fuck Blizzard!

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There's a lot of salt in this thread.

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On the subject of the bans, I'm firmly in the camp that believe that they were all deserved if you only look at the core of the game and what it's built around: Hero switching and team cooperation. So in that very narrow mindset no matter how positive you are...you are in fact exhibiting poor teamwork if you decide to stick on that off meta pick that isn't working in a predictably disadvantageous situation.

Also note that these guys didn't just get reported a few times to get their bans. It means that they more than likely refused to switch much more often than the times they did.

Now back to reality, the current system in OW doesn't do a good job to actually encourage that preferred play style where people are mostly flexible and the rule are so vague that it's difficult to really know what's allowed and what's frowned upon. Personally I'm one to believe that you should have at least one viable character in each role though you'll probably have more in the role of your favorite character.

My main issue with one tricks is twofold:

  1. When they won;t swap if countered of if the environment is by design very difficult for them perform.
  2. Because they only play one character they aren't able to perform at an appropriate level on anything else if their hero is picked or if they do end up swapping.

Oh, and they make the game very unfun right from the get go when you see someone who looks like they're just not gonna want to even try working with the team, instead forcing the rest to confirm with hoe they want to play.

I think the system needs to change so that the community in general can be incentivised to value flexibility and that one tricking more obviously becomes it's own deterrent on top of them being able to more clearly state the rules. Reporting in those cases would be much more cut and dry and you'd 100% know what you're getting yourself into.

I don't often agree with the Your Overwatch team because I think they like to spice their YT vids up with a degree of fluff and buzz words but this video I more or less support: Overwatch: Role Queue (I changed the title because their original one was too click bait for me)

the tl;dr they're suggesting is 4 different role queues:

  1. Tank
  2. Healer
  3. DPS
  4. Flex

Flex would allow the harder to categorize heroes like Torb, Sym, Sombra while the other queues would not. you'd end up with a guaranteed 1-1-1 and 3 flex players that you hope would be able to flex based on the teams need. The goal here is that it would be easier to justify reporting a Torb/Sym one trick for refusing to cooperate with the team since they picked the flex role.

What I like about this is that you have the foundation of a solid group and the understanding that the flex roles would be willing to adjust to fit the composition that the team wants to go with. It's not perfect but it's probably an improvement to what we have now.

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lets start with a I'M A MERCY ONE TRICK queue button for those mercy mainers, so that we don't end up with a two or three of them in a team

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Main != OTP.

In this system they'd probably queue as Healer so while not impossible I think they'd be less likely to be matched with another Mercy main or Mercy OTP

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yes I know that Main =/= OTP and this system is ok, I'm just point the exact problem with one trick angels, those who invaded high comp since end of season 5. Even symmetra main not so feelsbadman as two one-trick-mercy in a team and this shit happens. I got that this system can solve this problem and my comment was primarily a joke

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About one tricks. The argument goes both ways. There are times when the one trick should switch only because of the perception of thier own team and on the other hand there are times when they actually should switch. But flexing is the whole teams job and if something isnt working then ANYONE unwilling to switch is equally guilty. If someone tells a torb to switch and the torb tells a zen to switch then they are equally guilty if neither switch. Ive played many games as a pharah one trick vs zen ana and the 3 hitscans and won easily. But its not the easy wins we sould look at. Its the close games and the fact of the matter is that nobody really knows for sure. So if you want to be able to tell someone when they should switch then you should accept them being able to tell you when to switch. Its only fair and basicly there is no perfect solution. Yes one tricks need to be able to flex or they are the only ones not able to flex and that is not right but when it comes down to one player telling another player when to switch that is just a bad idea. There are too many tilted people who would abuse it.

Also side note. When onetricking I was required to win 55% of my games to break even. When maining one hero and flexing i was able to actually rank up in mid masters with a losing record which is amazing. So one tricks should consider this if they want to rank up. And if you get a one trick on your team then at least know that they probably have to have a better win rate than if they flexed so if you work with it you should have an advantage.

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Their win rate is of no concern to me. It's never been about how many of their games they manage to win, imo. It's about the refusal to work with the rest of the team when your one tricking isn't working. One could easily achieve a higher win rate by just using the hero in situations where he can thrive and limiting his use on objectively weaker situations.

Whether it's because you're being countered hard by an enemy hero or because the map is really unfavorable, it's not fair to the rest of the team that this one person refuses to try their best to help counter whatever is holding the team back.

I'll say this much, I always give one tricks a fair chance, but I also fully expect them to realize when it's not working and take the initiative in switching. also note that them switching off and being even less effective because they never play anything else tends to compounds the issue, so it becomes a catch-22.

The only realistic solution is to not only focus your skill on one hero and preferably have 2-3 that you can play at an appropriate level. I'm pretty sure that's what the game was designed around even if the current system doesn't reflect that.

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I'm starting to be a heavy flex player at this point the hatred of ontricks is so bad i can only rank up when my team doesnt flame me. Honestly its really sad in a way because its very fun to counter hitscans with pharah. But if the team is giving up i have no choice but to switch. I love my teams that stick with it. Lol sometimes i just have to explain what happened last point like "i killed widow and soldier" and then keep calling out when i kill the hitscans. Once my team watches the killfeed and realises Im pooping on the enemy then I can usually stay pharah but if someone is having a bad day and grumpy and just mad because they are mad there is no reasoning with them.

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