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What to do about Sayaplayer?

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#1
Raisin

So, I was recently playing around with Winston's Lab stats for fun, when I came across something interesting. The three worst match performances by Widowmaker players in OWL season 1 came from Birdring, Soon, and Libero, three highly capable widow players. Unfortunately for them, they were dueling Sayaplayer. Unfortunately for Sayaplayer, his team lost all three matches. Seems a bit unfair to the guy...

Sayaplayer is a very good Overwatch player. He probably has better raw hitscan aim than everyone in the world except for maybe Pine and Carpe. He is miles ahead of everyone else on Mayhem, but struggled to make an impact even with his insane talent due to communication issues. If Florida want him to be at his best, they probably will have to go full Korean in S2.

But what if they don't do that? What if they try to sign a couple more EU players and keep the core of the team? It would be an incredible shame if Saya's talents continued to be wasted on a bad team he can't even communicate with. If he becomes a free agent, where should he go? If Florida get to trade him, who should they go after in a trade? Given the way rosters are currently built in the league I honestly have no idea where he might end up.

#2
wentaway
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Is Logix a better widow than Saya? Of course not, but Logix doesn't require the whole team to play around/for him, Saya does.

Saya is actually one of the reasons why after some very slow but steady improvement Florida suddenly started going south again.

I really don't understand all this argument of "Koreans need other Koreans for language reasons", are they too lazy to learn a new language?
English is THE language for Overwatch players, no one in Florida is English and yet their coms are in English, what about the Fusion? How many different nationalities do they have? Wonder what also Koreans.

What to do about Sayaplayer? Force him to learn English, yes for for people form Korea (China and every other Asian country) is more complicated than for Europeans or South Americans, but it doesn't requires ages to learn some basic communication.

If he can't learn English, get rid of him he'll find easily a place in a Korean speaking team.

#4
Raisin
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Given that he was a midseason transfer and therefore did not have much time or resources to learn English, I'll give him a pass on not knowing it during season one, but you're right that it would benefit Sayaplayer and the Mayhem if they decide to keep him if he learned at least the basics of the language during the offseason.

#6
KuroiRyuu9625
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I don't know how good his English is, or his aptitude for learning the language but I'm not sure why you think he's not learning English, EFFECT's been with the Envy group for a lot longer and his English always improving but clearly still has a ways to go.

And so what if English is the language for Overwatch? It doesn't make it easier to learn or communication any easier for non native speakers. Why would this be any different for Saya?

I agree that they need to move him if he's not willing to work with the team but if he's otherwise willing and trying to learn...I think he's worth keeping assuming both sides want it but I'm forced to question how shortsighted, or possibly even ignorant(?), you sound here.

#7
wentaway
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Of course I have no idea about it, I was answering to Raisin's postulate (with which I partially agree), that the reason he struggled to be more impactfull was mainly due to communication.

Saya might indeed be learning English, in which case I say they him and maybe pick up some more up to date supports?

Swapping an entire roster because one player doesn't fit in (in this case for communication/cultural issues) thou doesn't make much sense, even if you are speaking of the best player on a team, for various reasons:

  • Players don't come for free and current ones had 2 years contracts (I guess)
  • Bringing an whole new Korean team (Kongdoo or Runaway) it's gonna be hard, unless there won't be another new Korean city drafted for season 2.
  • Even if both the above are "solved" nothing guarnatee you that this new team will be better than the current Florida with just 1-2 better supports, Florida doesn't strike me as a franchise willing to risk bunch of money.

Then again, I'm not good at predictions so eh. :)

#3
Blue
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I wouldnt say libero is highly capable, servicable? yes, but on the level of soon/birdring? no

but I will say saya will probably not be reupped by mayhem, and a full rebuild of mayhem is coming probably around manneten and logix/tviq

#5
Hudsen
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I can see a world where Florida decides to let go of all of their non-Koreans and bring the roster of a team like RunAway in for Season 2. It would make them highly competitive with at very least the mid-table teams and give the Mayhem fans a real team that can stand their own against competition that isn't the 0-40 Dragons. If that's the case, I'd predict Sayaplayer (and maybe aWesomeGuy) being the only one(s) returning to Season 2 in a Mayhem jersey.

#8
One_Punch_Man
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Sayas english isn't that bad compared to other krns on roster when he first came to the team. its not communication in game but more so out of game, in expressing his thoughts, plus its not like Mayhem has the best talent in coaches/players/staff. You build around saya, focus saya to grind few heroes he needs. FL isn't hard to figure out.

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