Scheduled
1:00 PM EDT
Sunday, August 13th
Event
World Cup 2017 Santa Monica Group Stage: Group G
Map 1
Hollywood
Map 2
Nepal
Map 3
Horizon Lunar Colony
Map 4
Route 66
United States
Adam
FCTFCTN
coolmatt69
JAKE
Rawkus
sinatraa
United States Winner
Checkpoints: 1
Distance pushed: 95.43m
Time remaining: 0.00s
Taiwan
Checkpoints: 1
Distance pushed: 79.90m
Time remaining: 0.00s
Taiwan
Realment
KMoMo
Baconjack
Zonda
Jongie
S1nkler
United States
Adam
FCTFCTN
coolmatt69
JAKE
Rawkus
sinatraa
United States Winner
Round 1: 100%
Round 2: 100%
Taiwan
Round 1: 77%
Round 2: 99%
Taiwan
Realment
KMoMo
Baconjack
Zonda
Jongie
S1nkler
United States
Adam
FCTFCTN
coolmatt69
JAKE
Rawkus
sinatraa
United States
Checkpoints: 2
Capture progress: 88.1%
Time remaining: 0.00s
Winner Taiwan
Checkpoints: 2
Capture progress: 88.1%
Time remaining: 66.00s
Taiwan
Realment
KMoMo
Baconjack
Zonda
Jongie
S1nkler
United States
Adam
FCTFCTN
coolmatt69
JAKE
Rawkus
sinatraa
United States Winner
Checkpoints: 3
Distance pushed: 0.00m
Time remaining: 67.00s
Taiwan
Checkpoints: 2
Distance pushed: 40.75m
Time remaining: 0.00s
Taiwan
Realment
KMoMo
Baconjack
Zonda
Jongie
S1nkler
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#1
KuroiRyuu9625
1 Frags +

THE USA team is a beast and by the looks of it seems more balanced than Canada, but I don't think they'll be able to Overcome Taiwan/Flash Wolves with them being a full team and how strong they seem to be.

I don't know if a sweep is in the cards but I think a Taiwan victory is likely, though "surprises" aren't totally unexpected.

#2
Involv3r
2 Frags +

Jake is scary. Not as in mechanical or smart scary, but like you watch the guy play or hear him talk, he has charisma given how young he is. His mindset makes him a huge threat I think. Good thing he's team captain.
Also, I never thought I'd say this, but CoolMatt's Dva play was sick on FNRGFE. Rawkus is comfortable on Lucio if they decide to pull a Pharamercy as Adam's Mercy is arguably the best in NA. And Sinatraa is Sinatraa, kid's nuts.

And FCTFCTN is still the best tag I've seen. Ever.

As Ygritte would say, I know nothing about Taiwan so I won't say anything. But this match is promising.

#3
Pixelfish
3 Frags +

I actually think this has the potential to be a 2-2, but maybe with Taiwan edging out USA in the tiebreaker (which works better for USA in terms if bracket)

#4
JBZ
1 Frags +

So the second in this group plays Canada in the playoffs, the first plays SK, assuming they win against UK, Germany or Belgium, am I right?

This would mean that Taiwan had to play SK again and also that the 3 best teams would all be in one side of the bracket.

That's my order of teams, from strongest to weakest:

  1. SK
  2. Taiwan
  3. China
  4. France (2-4 may be interchangeable)
  5. US
  6. Sweden
  7. Canada
  8. Australia

Obviously this can easily change until Blizzcon, but from what we've seen so far (+considering Taiwan and the US play how they are supposed), I think it's pretty accurate.

edit:
I would have put Russia on 5th-6th, as I still think they are better than Canada. Who knows, maybe the US won't make it to playoffs either, Brazil definitely has the potential to upset this group.

#5
blakku
1 Frags +

Taiwan 4-0.

#6
One_Punch_Man
-2 Frags +

i love TW, visited, have many friends there, but they're getting dumpstered by US.

#7
SoftWhisper
-3 Frags +

US is going to get trashed 4-0,.

#8
bweesh
4 Frags +

I thought Taiwan didn't look all that great today, and I think that USA has the edge in every 1v1, Taiwan should have the organization of a full team who's been playing together for a long time but I just didn't see it today. 3-1 USA.

#9
Cambreh
2 Frags +

I think Taiwan were just sloppy on the first defense on King's Row, but then immediately found their footing and punished Brazil real hard. Still think Taiwan has the edge, but USA also have coolmatt and sinatra who have been absolute monsters on their respective roles, so I have to say 3-1 Taiwan

#10
Asjtbd
0 Frags +

Both teams will throw to avoid facing SK.

#11
john61020
4 Frags +
Asjtbd [#10]

Both teams will throw to avoid facing SK.

If the UK can show its strength, I think this may not happen.

#12
Dunkster
1 Frags +

I think it will be a close one.

#13
KuroiRyuu9625
4 Frags +

With both of these teams having performed like they did I don't think we can call Taiwan the heavy favorite, maybe a slight favorite, but team USA looks extremely good and very flexible.

This will probably just come down to execution and who can punish the other more whenever possible. I still think Taiwan has a slight edge given their more reactive play style but I can see this going either way.

#14
bweesh
4 Frags +
KuroiRyuu9625 [#13]

With both of these teams having performed like they did I don't think we can call Taiwan the heavy favorite, maybe a slight favorite, but team USA looks extremely good and very flexible.

This will probably just come down to execution and who can punish the other more whenever possible. I still think Taiwan has a slight edge given their more reactive play style but I can see this going either way.

Sinatraa and Jake are going to eat Realment alive, and then USA will keep them staggered and roll through the payload maps. I think Taiwan will look stronger on Control and 2CP - but I still think USA wins 3-1 with Taiwan winning Horizon Lunar Colony.

#15
Blue
5 Frags +

Now the question is if Taiwan wont give sinatraa's zarya 100 charge the moment the first fight starts

#16
Pixelfish
3 Frags +

I say USA wins and has an easy road to top 8- unfortunately they'd have to face SK.
If Taiwan wins, USA has a harder road to beat U.K., but then have a slightly easier playoff run afterwards (compared to the other half of the bracket.) I think USA can beat U.K. tho.

#17
bweesh
1 Frags +

Sinatraa's Zarya has torn up every team I've ever seen him play her against - I'm not worried about how his Zarya will perform.

#18
Winter
3 Frags +

From what I've seen I would say the USA seem stronger than Taiwan. Both games for both teams have been stomps though, so I suppose we really haven't been given a proper idea of the potential of either team. Right now I'd go for either 3-1 USA or 2-2, but really it could also end up being 4-0 to Taiwan.

#19
PotatoKing
2 Frags +

It can't be 2-2. It's a Canada vs Russia situation where one of them has to win to decide who takes first and second in the group. I'm predicting 3-2 for US. I hope they lose, so we can get Canada vs USA at Blizzcon, though.

#20
KuroiRyuu9625
2 Frags +
PotatoKing [#19]

It can't be 2-2. It's a Canada vs Russia situation where one of them has to win to decide who takes first and second in the group. I'm predicting 3-2 for US. I hope they lose, so we can get Canada vs USA at Blizzcon, though.

Agreed, I'd much more looks forward to a good ol' NA showdown than a USA vs SK and a CAN vs TWN.

#21
victococoblazin
3 Frags +

Us needs to lose here and uk beat germany so i can get my US vs UK

#22
KuroiRyuu9625
0 Frags +
victococoblazin [#21]

Us needs to lose here and uk beat germany so i can get my US vs UK

One question being if a team would actually throw to get a more favorable match-up at Blizzcon...It would defeat the spirit of the games so I'm not convinced but I honestly dunno.

#23
Involv3r
4 Frags +

No one would risk their potential career and definitely their OWL spot over a meaningless tournament. OWWC is just an event for fun, to broaden the game's audience and as preparation for future LAN events etc.

Imo the team that wants to vs Korea is the one with the highest chance of beating them.

#24
penda
1 Frags +

Throwing to get a more favorable spot isn't bannable.

#25
bweesh
3 Frags +
penda [#24]

Throwing to get a more favorable spot isn't bannable.

You sure? I feel like it very well could be.

#26
penda
1 Frags +

No throwing is only bannable if you have some sort of monetary gain from it. Blizzard can't ban you for not trying your hardest in a match but it you were to get something in return for throwing then I'm sure they would ban you.

#27
Kiwifruit
2 Frags +

Im gonna say this as a brit but honestly thunk taiwan will beat US and i think the assumption that US will beat UK in an easier route to the finals is a silly one. They've said they will beat US and so far look on fire. Will be a close match and would love to see the boys take it.

#28
PotatoKing
2 Frags +

UK is a solid team, but USA has appeared to play at a higher level so far.

#29
BenTylerOW
4 Frags +

According to SK OW committee, Flash Wolves (TW) had a needle match vs X6-Gaming when SK was having some matches with KDU and Ardeont.

Waiting for Taiwan making good match, but US would win this if TW don't get a significant improvement, I think.

#30
Involv3r
1 Frags +
penda [#26]

No throwing is only bannable if you have some sort of monetary gain from it. Blizzard can't ban you for not trying your hardest in a match but it you were to get something in return for throwing then I'm sure they would ban you.

Do you really believe that ? Let me put it another way then. How about the respect they lose throwing a game cause they wanna make it deep in a tournament they, as you said, get no monetary gain from.
You think a serious org doesn't care if a player throws in a friendly game ?

I mean I get your point, but if it was an amateur tournament then maybe. Not on pro level. Anybody throws to avoid Korea gets called a pussy for as long as they play. Such is life.

#31
accountseverywhere
-4 Frags +

If this is team usa why don't they have taimou?

#32
Swennnnn
-2 Frags +

U meta too good, UK and USA move on
USA 4-0
All jokes aside, this should be a hype match.

#33
Winter
3 Frags +
Involv3r [#30]

Do you really believe that ? Let me put it another way then. How about the respect they lose throwing a game cause they wanna make it deep in a tournament they, as you said, get no monetary gain from.
You think a serious org doesn't care if a player throws in a friendly game ?

I mean I get your point, but if it was an amateur tournament then maybe. Not on pro level. Anybody throws to avoid Korea gets called a pussy for as long as they play. Such is life.

The ultimate karma would be throwing to play against the UK and then losing to the UK. As a Brit that would make me laugh. Nevertheless both teams will be playing to their maximum as they're wanting to prove they're the better team.

#34
penda
1 Frags +

If they were to throw they could lose respect but there's no real proof they threw unless they were to physically gain something from it. Otherwise they could just say "we were trying something out" or "we just weren't feeling it".
I'm not advocating for anyone should throw but unless they get something for it Blizzard can't really do anything.

#35
hugo
1 Frags +

How many USA players are free agents? Deeper runs look better for getting picked up.

That being said, I dislike throwing and I really don't want to watch it happen.

#36
Fluoride
0 Frags +

Jake can write and can play

#37
Blue
5 Frags +

Well they didn't let Sinatraa's zarya bully them but damn this match has been tense as fuck

#38
Involv3r
-1 Frags +

Jake is pounding, but Adam man. Doesn't die, constantly peeling for Rawkus, always there to disengage. Good ass game.

#39
BigBad
1 Frags +

This is probably the most exciting Overwatch match I've ever seen. So much back and forth!

#40
MuscleK
0 Frags +
BigBad [#39]

This is probably the most exciting Overwatch match I've ever seen. So much back and forth!

Agree, but it would be better if Blizzard use another bracket for Blizzcon playoff.

#41
DG0117
-9 Frags +

change Taiwan to Chinese Taipei pls over.gg

#42
KuroiRyuu9625
1 Frags +
penda [#34]

If they were to throw they could lose respect but there's no real proof they threw unless they were to physically gain something from it. Otherwise they could just say "we were trying something out" or "we just weren't feeling it".
I'm not advocating for anyone should throw but unless they get something for it Blizzard can't really do anything.

Or that Blizz would somehow be able to prove that they intended to throw, discord chats or otherwise. Like you say I think it would be close to impossible to prove but honestly pride and exposure might be worth more than more favorable seeding.

#43
PotatoKing
1 Frags +

Very well played, USA. This game was a lot closer than the score would indicate, though. Every map (except maybe Route 66) easily could've gone either way.

#44
KuroiRyuu9625
3 Frags +

Sinatraa is an absolute beast, he won so many duels on his own, he's a scary ass mofo to go up against. USA looked like they had the better strats and they took full advantage of Taiwan's passive play. Was a good match to see and I think we could be looking USA vs Germany and UK vs Taiwan later on.

#45
Swennnnn
1 Frags +

LETS GO CHAMP

#46
Involv3r
1 Frags +

US taking the game pretty convincingly imo, Taiwan put up a good fight but was never enough. Beautiful game to watch though.

And this is why all successful teams have a really, really strong support duo.

#47
Pixelfish
4 Frags +

Overwatch community before the Los Angeles group stage: USA LUL USA LUL

Overwatch community after USA takes 1st in group, defeating an extremely high-regarded team in Flash wolves:

U PogChamp S PogChamp A PogChamp

#48
dedC
1 Frags +

USA USA USA

#49
KuroiRyuu9625
4 Frags +
Pixelfish [#47]

Overwatch community before the Los Angeles group stage: USA LUL USA LUL

Overwatch community after USA takes 1st in group, defeating an extremely high-regarded team in Flash wolves:

U PogChamp S PogChamp A PogChamp

Hindsight is 20/20 so I'm not even sure what your point is. Fact is Team USA didn't look like they'd be the favorites to top the group. Even though their squad looked good it didn't look great and they just showed that there's far more to them than a lot of people, myself included, initially believed.

It's really easy to be that "I knew it all along" guy AFTER you've seen the results. I hope they make it far, heck I hope they take down SK for some good ol' NA pride, but when trying to predict results like this you're bound to get a lot of them wrong.

#50
BenTylerOW
1 Frags +
BenTylerOW [#29]

According to SK OW committee, Flash Wolves (TW) had a needle match vs X6-Gaming when SK was having some matches with KDU and Ardeont.

Waiting for Taiwan making good match, but US would win this if TW don't get a significant improvement, I think.

US lost one point to TW (Flash Wolves) that had a needle match against KR 2 Tier team X6. Disappointing.

Although I'm sure that they would go to Blizzcon, but also sure that they would have tough time in there.

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