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Explodey
Battletag: ExplOdey#11665
Country: Korea, Republic of
Signed Up: June 30, 2017
Last Posted: December 3, 2018 at 10:07 AM
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Now, we all know how OWL is outlined, but it seems like there is no clear info on how the overall OW scene (including tier 2 and 3) will be structured. Solid tier 2 scene is essential to provide constant influx of new star players. I am sure Blizzard is aware of this and is working hard to develop outstanding league structure for tier 2 scene as well (as they said news on contenders is coming very soon), so this post might not really mean anything.
But I feel like one role communities like this can serve is to provide ideas for the developers. So below are some of my thoughts on how the overall OW scene should look like. Whether this post will have any meaning or not, I am just trying whatever I can to help OW to be successful as eSports since it is the first eSport I began following.

Premiere Events:
Overwatch League and Overwatch World Cup

Major Events:
APEX, Contenders (NA and EU), OWPS, OPC, Event Tournament (with teams from OWL, APEX, Contenders, OWPS, OPC)

Minor Events:
APEX Challenger and Open Division

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IVFfsF3Hw_QvZFxIPkkjY-htmU9IB_Kh
The image link above contains how I think these events should be scheduled. I only included events for KR, NA, and EU since those are the ones I am most familiar with.

Overwatch League:
Only thing I changed from the official schedule is additional 2 weeks between stage two and three for mid-season signing. I think this break in the middle would allow the teams to analyze their performance in the first half of the season, and also help the new members to adapt.

Overwatch World Cup:
I think OWWC is a great tournament to attract casual fans, and I think Blizzard should continue to run it. Qualifier during late-September to mid-October, followed by playoff during Blizzcon.

Event Tournament:
As we are experiencing now, mid-November to December seems to be void of events. So this period seems appropriate to run an event tournament featuring teams from OWL and various tier-2 scenes. I think tournaments like this will promote interest to tier-2 scenes as well by showing how competitive the teams from those tournaments are.

Tier-2 Scene:
I really hope Contenders, APEX, and APEX Challengers (and OPC & OWPS) can remain to be strong because I strongly believe those are essential. To make the schedule, I had to come up with some kind of tournament structures, and detailed info on those rules are in this link(https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SV4lmiF5Dm26KExgZ6oZTl7B5e_IKad2). But it will probably be difficult to understand, so I will briefly explain key things below.

APEX:
For both APEX and APEX challengers to remain to be functional, I think reduction in size is necessary, possibly to 10 teams. With that size, league format is certainly doable. Matches can be held from Sunday to Tuesday to avoid conflict with the OWL. Starting slightly after OWL would avoid APEX stealing the hype of the new season from OWL. Also, having semi-final and grand final during OWL off-seasons between different stages would allow fans who normally only watched OWL to turn their eyes to APEX during that off-season. I think each team having one match per week would allow enough time to analyze the opponents and come up with good counter strategy.

Contenders:
For Contenders NA/EU, since it is the only tier-2 tournament in the West, I think number of teams can be increased to 10. Overall structure similar to APEX as explained above.

APEX Challengers:
APEX challengers has been the league that helped amateur teams to develop into top-level pro teams (Meta Athena in Season 2, X6 in Season 3, GC Busan in Season 4, possibly Element Mystic in next season). This was possible as the league has relatively tight schedule. For the league at this level, primary purpose should be to develop pro-level players rather than to display top level performance. So I think having two matches per week would be better for Challengers.

Open Division:
This should serve as the initial stage for Contenders (and APEX Challengers) qualifier. When there are so many teams competing, it is difficult to do anything other than single elimination. However, single elimination always has a possibility of one of top level teams being eliminated early by facing top team in early stage. To help with this issue, it would be better to run this single elimination tournament multiple times throughout a year.

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Yes, that was one LONG post, and I doubt many people read it all the way.
One purpose I hope this can serve is to share everyone's thought on how tier-2 scene like contenders should be structured and what kinds of tournaments should exist (like the event tournament I mentioned in the post, or how OWWC should be modified). Blizzard once mentioned each OWL teams would be allowed to run 5 tournaments. How should those be used? Post your thoughts please.

posted about a year ago

According to the website, all star weekend is 3 days long (Aug 10-12, Fri-Sun), and this makes me believe that it will be more than just one match.

I can imagine all kinds of goofy things they can do like Lucio sprint, Winston jumping contest to moving targets, Soldier Frogger (successfully crossing roads with obstacles like the cars in the Oasis map), Junkrat cornhole, etc. They can also utilize some of the arcade modes (death match, mystery duel, lockout elimination, mystery heroes, total mayhem, etc.) and the event modes (Lucio ball, Junkenstein's revenge, Mei's snowball offensive, Capture the rooster, Overwatch uprising). But I think most people will only care about the ones that has meaningful relevance to real in-game skills. After all, the hype of the all star weekend should be about who really are the best players (on each hero or role) in the league.

I think they should utilize some of the arcade modes, so this event can promote more people to enjoy the arcade modes, but utilize it in a way that has meaningful relevance to real in-game skills. And maybe have one real game with all star teams each day as a main event.

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For example,
Friday, August 10th: Challenge the Champion

  • Capture the Flag between OWL Champion vs. All-Star team - Just for fun mainly. Also, I think this is one mode where you need to think about both defense and attack. So it will be interesting to see how pros strategize it.
  • 6V6 Lockout Elimination - Let's see how well they can build up diverse comps!
  • 6V6 Mystery Heroes - To see how flexible the star players in the Champion team and the All-Star team are
  • Bo5 Match between the OWL Season 1 Champion vs. All-Stars from the rest of the teams (max 2 players from one team)

Saturady, August 11th: Battle to rise as the top individual

  • Death match of 8 most voted DPS players
  • Widow Headshot only match (like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMiU-3DOw0I)
  • McCree Headshot only match (like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpe2qmIG3WI)
  • 1V1 Mystery Duel with only DPS heroes (or some modification of it, like Tracer tourney, Genji tourney, hit-scan tourney, etc.)
  • 1V1 Mystery Duel with only Tank heroes
  • 1V1 Mystery Duel with only Support heroes
  • 3V3 Elimination match (one player only with DPS heroes, one player only with Tank heroes, one player only with support heroes)

Sunday, August 12th: Battle of the Division All Stars

  • Team death match of Atlantic All-Stars vs. Pacific All-Stars
  • 6V6 Mystery Heroes
  • Bo5 Match between Atlantic Division All-Star vs. Pacific Division All-Star (max 2 players from one team)
posted about a year ago

I don't know how good sowhat, DoHyeon, and YARG are, but rest of the roster looks solid! I hope APEX can continue to be as great as they have been.

posted about a year ago

Well, now they have Neko if you are worried about Snow. Neko was one of the best Anas in Korea in APEX season 4.

posted about a year ago

Excluded due to age: Flow3r, Haksal, Whoru
Excluded due to retirement: dafran

These are some of best available talents imo
DPS:

  • aKm
    Stitch
    YanX1aoLg
    GodsB
    Arhan

Tank:

  • FCTFCTN
    Tonic
    KnOxXx

Flex-Tank:

  • Void
    Donghyun
    LateYoung

Suppot:

  • Fuze
    Creed
    Wakawaka

Flex-Heal:

  • Greyy
    Undine
    KoX
    Roolf
    Shy
    Zhufanjun

For better team synergy, I would try to make three separate teams based on region:
EU/NA
DPS:

  • aKm
    Davin
    Hqrdest
    Kruise

Tank:

  • FCTFCTN
    KnOxXx

Flex Tank:

  • NiCOgdh
    Smex

Support:

  • Winz
    Adam

Flex Support:

  • Greyy
    Roolf

Korea
DPS:

  • Stitch
    GodsB
    Sayaplayer
    Arhan

Tank:

  • TiZi
    Kaiser

Flex Tank:

  • Void
    Donghyun

Support:

  • Fuze
    Wakawaka

Flex Support:

  • Undine
    KoX

China
DPS:

  • YanX1aoLg
    Leave
    Jason

Tank:

  • guxue

Flex Tank:

  • Lateyoung

Support:

  • Creed
    BBcat

Flex Support:

  • Shy
    zhufanjun
posted about a year ago

I have posted my prediction on other thread before, but I made adjustments based on added players and OWWC performance.

  1. Seoul Dynasty
    Addition of Munchkin, Fleta, and Wekeed should supplement the weakness of the team. Also, the Mercy nerf and the Ana buff should help ryujehong to come back to his prime form.

  2. London Spitfire
    I am not sure how they are going to combine two very strong squads. I think the main strength of GC Busan came from the team synergy, and I am worried that the mix of squads will affect the team harmony. In the end, I think this team will only be slightly stronger than GC Busan (as I think Birdring and Rascal are stronger than Hooreg for most heroes). But who knows, maybe great coaching staffs will help the players to bring greater synergies together, in which case, I think they will take the top place.

  3. Dallas Fuel
    They have great players and great team synergy, but I think their tanks are a little behind the top two. Unless Taimou enters one of those periods that he gets tired of the game again, I think Dallas should be strong enough to take the third place.

  4. New York Excelsior
    They have stellar DPS and tank line, but I am a little worried about their support. I was never impressed with Ark, and although I know JJoNak is a great Ana, but he has never played at pro level AFAIK. Also, JJoNak seems to play quite aggressively, which tends to work well in competitive, but at a pro level, aggressive supports often suffer from the opponents. If these issues can be dealt with, they might take the third place from Dallas Fuel and may even challenge Seoul and London.

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  1. Florida Mayhem
    Many people seem to underestimate this team based on Contenders season 1 Grand Final. I still believe that this team has great talents all around, which was shown in the World Cup as well.

-Top 6~8 closely contested between Houston, Philadelphia, and LA Valiant

  1. Houston Outlaws
    I think they have solid players all around. Although I think Muma is decent, I was never impressed with him to the degree that many people seem to be praising him at. Maybe he will prove me wrong and take the team to the higher spot.

  2. Philadelphia Fusion
    Very decent roster from the name value, but I am concerned about the flexibility of the DPS. ShaDowBurn only showed his supremacy on Genji and Snillo only on Tracer. Yes, Carpe can play multiple heroes to somewhat compensate, but his form seems somewhat inconsistent. Also, tanks are decent, but could be better.

  3. Los Angeles Valiant
    Current roster is a great improvement from the one in contenders, and I think they can easily top Philadelphia and Houston as long as the team performs well together to adapt to different metas.

-Top 9~12 closely contested between Boston, SF, Shanghai, and LA Gladiators

  1. Boston Uprising
    I don’t really agree with Harsha’s comment about the Boston team being very weak. Their DPS may be a bit lacking, but their tanks and supports are pretty good. Maybe he was talking about the team before Kalios was added? (as it seems like his addition was later than other players). Addition of Neko should also help the team greatly as his Ana is outstanding.

  2. San Francisco Shock
    This is the team I am least sure about. I don’t really know how good iddqd, nomy, Super, sleepy, and Danteh are. So this is just my rough guess of where I think they would end up. I think LA Valiant could easily take their spot unless they truly live up to the hype.

  3. Shanghai Dragons
    This squad has decent talents all around, but I don’t think they are stronger than MY. If the whole MY roster was joining OWL, I would’ve predicted them to be around fifth~sixth strongest in the league, but this roster will still be competitive enough to challenge other teams in the league.

  4. Los Angeles Gladiators
    I could be wrong as I did not watch much of Kungarna’s games, but I was not impressed with iReMix and Bischu when I did. I think the supports are good, but I am not sure about the DPS. I am not sure how good Hydration is, and Asher isn’t that impressive. I think Surefour is good but probably not good enough to carry the team by himself. I think this team is still pretty good and should be able to easily outperform Shanghai, San Francisco, and Boston if they work well together as a team.
posted about a year ago

And the world is much bigger than America, since OWL is a global league (although most of the teams are based in US). I guess having the division system now at least tells us which direction they are headed. I guess trying to implement this system in later seasons might have stronger resistance from the fans, so they are building the ground for what they want to implement in the seasons to come.

posted about a year ago

Playing twice against the teams of their own division and once against the others kinda makes sense for me actually. That way, travel distance would be decreased while still maintaining a sense of all teams being in one league. We will see how they build up on this system.

I feel like four stage system actually suits Overwatch pretty well. As metas rise and fall, we have seen different teams rise and fall as well. Since the length of one season of the league is pretty long, we will most likely see this happen within one season of OWL. This four stage system will make sure the team that was reigning king during a certain meta will get at least some reward, while the one who managed to stay on top throughout the season will be rewarded with a playoff spot since that is determined based on overall map score of all stages.

posted about a year ago

I am not saying having divisions is bad. I just don't see why.
For the second point though, I don't like how it could give unfair advantage to some teams.

I certainly do like 4 stage system too! Overall, I really like what they are doing. I just found these two things a bit odd.

posted about a year ago

1. No apparent reason for divisions
Why are they dividing teams into two divisions? Did they mention the reason anywhere? Because I really don't see the point of this. I did talk about the possibility of Blizzard having two or more divisions for the league about two months ago in one thread (https://www.over.gg/5409/overwatch-league-teams/?page=2#60), but my reasoning was to decrease the distance to travel for each team by not having to play against the teams of different regional division until playoffs. But they are not even doing that, so I don't really see what purpose this is serving. Are they planning to do that for later seasons when teams will actually have to travel around?

2. One less match against random(?) four teams
Also, five matches against the teams in same division and five matches against the teams of the other division for each stage "seems" fair, but if you think about it, this is really weird too. You have six teams in each division, so teams will have five teams to compete against in the division they are part of, but they have six teams to compete against in the division they are not part of. In the end, each team will compete with everyone except one team in different division in each stage. This might not seem like much, but this could end up giving slight advantage in the overall map score to the teams that played less games against the top teams.

For example, if you check the schedule, you can see Seoul Dynasty will not play against Philadelphia for stage 1, Boston for stage 2, Florida for stage 3, and Houston for stage 4. This means Seoul will play against these teams three times during regular season, and four times against all other teams.
So if there is a team that is playing one less match against top 4 teams, they will have advantage over a team who is playing one less match against bottom 4 teams. I don't know if this will make a huge difference, but I don't see why they can't just add one more match in each stage, so every team will compete against each other same number of matches.

posted about a year ago

I don't know why they're using white color for player names for both teams. I know it has outline with the team color, but when the team color is light, it is so hard to distinguish them. Using solid team color with white outline (and white with team color outline for the away team) for the player names would greatly improve the clarity.

posted about a year ago

I think UK vs. SWE and SK vs. USA are the two big matches that will most likely determine who gets to go to the grand final.
I hope SK can pick up their slacks and show great performance again!

posted about a year ago

Really?? That's really unfortunate. I am pretty sure they are as good as one of the better players in OWL teams.

posted about a year ago

I think Fischer and Architect are in for Boston, and maybe Mirage in for LA Gladiators? Mirage said that he has been picked up by an OWL team awhile ago, but I don't see him on any of the rosters yet. Also, maybe Recry and Donghyun on one of the teams? Because I don't see why they would've left Afreeca Freecs unless they had offers from better teams.
For Florida, I am not sure, but I hope to see players like Greyy, ChrisTFer, aKm, Davin, and Tonic.

posted about a year ago

I really hope Greyy gets picked up too! He is one of the best flex heals imo.

posted about a year ago

My guess is Fischer and Architect for Boston (I saw a thread about OWL rumors in OW Inven awhile ago, and it has been 100% correct so far). If this is true, Architect is a pretty good projectile, so I guess that should make you halfway happy?

posted about a year ago

I have included my reasoning on other thread:
https://www.over.gg/6415/owl-preseason-predictions

  1. Seoul
  2. London
  3. Dallas
  4. NY
  5. Florida
  6. Houston
  7. Philadelphia
  8. SF Shock
  9. LA Valiant
  10. Boston
  11. Shanghai
  12. LA Gladiators
posted about a year ago

These are some of the info I am missing obviously. But is ShaDowBurn really god on Pharah? I have seen his Pharah, but I wasn't really impressed at all. Hopefully I will have better idea on how things will go after the pre-season!

posted about a year ago

Very well could be overrating them since I have been watching those games more closely. We will find out soon! :)

posted about a year ago

Yeah, but I feel like Doomfist is falling out of meta, and Mei is only useful in certain situations. Snillo's soldier, as far as I have seen, was only decent. But still, this is just one prediction, I would be happy to find out that the players are much better than what I have expected.

posted about a year ago

I only started actively watching Overwatch around April, 2017 (towards the end of APEX season 2, TaKeOver 2, and so on), so I lack information about most of the players who have not played at pro level after April. Because of this, my assessment of the teams with many of these recently inactive players (like SF Shock and Boston) might be inaccurate. Hopefully, I will be able to make more sound assessment after the preseason.

-Top 2 closely contested between Seoul and London

  1. Seoul Dynasty
    Addition of Muchkin, Fleta, and Wekeed should supplement the weakness of the team. Also, the Mercy nerf and the Ana buff should help ryujehong to come back to his prime form.

  2. London Spitfire
    I am not sure how they are going to combine two very strong squads. I think the main strength of GC Busan came from the team synergy, and I am worried that the mix of squads will affect the team harmony. In the end, I think this team will only be slightly stronger than GC Busan (as I think Birdring and Rascal are stronger than Hooreg for most heroes). But who knows, maybe great coaching staffs will help the players to bring greater synergies together, in which case, I think they will take the top place.

-Top 3~4 closely contested between Dallas and New York

  1. Dallas Fuel
    My concern with EFFECT was that he seemed to only play Tracer, but it seems like he is getting better with other heroes as well. Unless Taimou enters one of those periods that he gets tired of the game again, I think this team should be strong enough to take the third place.

  2. New York Excelsior
    They have stellar DPS and tank line, but I am a little worried about their support. I was never impressed with Ark, and although I know JJoNak is a great Ana, but he has never played at pro level AFAIK. Also, JJoNak seems to play quite aggressively, which tends to work well in competitive, but at a pro level, aggressive supports often suffer from the opponents. If these issues can be dealt with, they might take the third place from Dallas Fuel and may even challenge Seoul and London.

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  1. Florida Mayhem
    Their weakness has been shown in the grand final of contenders season 1, but I still believe they are one of the stronger teams in the league.

-Top 6~7 closely contested between Houston and Philadelphia

  1. Houston Outlaws
    I think they have solid players all around. Although I think Muma is decent, I was never impressed with him to the degree that many people seem to be praising him at. Maybe he will prove me wrong and take the team to the higher spot.

  2. Philadelphia Fusion
    Very decent roster from the name value, but I am concerned about the flexibility of the DPS. ShaDowBurn only showed his supremacy on Genji and Snillo only on Tracer. Yes, Carpe can play multiple heroes to somewhat compensate, but his form seems somewhat inconsistent. Also, tanks are decent, but could be better.

-Top 8~9 closely contested between SF Shock and LA Valiant

  1. San Francisco Shock
    This is the team I am least sure about. I don’t really know how good iddqd, nomy, Super, sleepy, and Danteh are. So this is just my rough guess of where I think they would end up. I think LA Valiant could easily take their spot unless they truly live up to the hype.

  2. Los Angeles Valant
    I think the current roster is a great improvement from the one in contenders. Few concerns still remain though. SoOn never looked great on anything but Tracer, and I haven’t seen Agilities being impressive on hit-scan. Also, the tanks and supports are good, but not as great as the top teams.

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  1. Boston Uprising
    I don’t really agree with Harsha’s comment about the Boston team being very weak. I think they will be almost as good as SF Shock and LA Valiant. This is assuming Snow is on par with supports of the other OWL teams since I do not know how good he is. Maybe he was talking about the team before Kalios was added? (as it seems like his addition was later than other players)

  2. Shanghai Dragons
    This squad has decent talents all around, but I don’t think they are stronger than MY. If the whole MY roster was joining OWL, I would’ve predicted them to be around fifth~sixth strongest in the league, but this roster will still be competitive enough to challenge other teams in the league.

  3. Los Angeles Gladiators
    I could be wrong as I did not watch much of Kungarna’s games, but I was not impressed with iReMix and Bischu when I did. I think the supports are good, but DPS seems to be lacking as well. I know people speak highly of Surefour, but I don’t think he is as good as the top talents. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think they are bad. Tbh, I feel like Seoul, London, Dallas, and NY are going to form top 4 and rest of the teams are going to be at similar level, going up and down the chart based on their condition on the match day.
posted about a year ago

OWL Preseason Predictions

Now that the rosters for the OWL teams are mostly confirmed, I think it’s about appropriate time to make predictions on team standings for the preseason.
To help the ones who haven’t been following the roster announcements, I have included the rosters for the OWL teams.

Seoul Dynasty

  • Munchkin
    Fleta
    Miro
    Zunba
    Tobi
    Ryujehong
    Wekeed
    Esca
    Gido
    Xepher

London Spitfire

  • Profit
    Hooreg
    Gesture
    WOOHYAL
    Closer
    HaGoPeun
    Birdring
    Rascal
    Fissure
    Bdosin
    NUS
    Fury

Dallas Fuel

  • Taimou
    EFFECT
    cocco
    Mickie
    HarryHook
    Chipshajen
    Seagull
    xQc
    Custa

New York Excelsior

  • Saebyeolbe
    Libero
    Mano
    MekO
    Ark
    JJoNak
    janus
    Pine

Florida Mayhem

  • TviQ
    Logix
    CWoosH
    Manneten
    Zebbosai
    Zuppeh

Houston Outlaws

  • LiNKzr
    Jake
    Muma
    Coolmatt69
    Boink
    Bani
    Clockwork
    Mendokusaii
    SPREE
    Rawkus

Philadelphia Fusion

  • Carpe
    ShaDowBurn
    Snillo
    Fragi
    Poko
    Neptuno
    Boombox
    Joemeister
    Hotba
    DayFly
    Eqo
    SADO

San Francisco Shock

  • iddqd
    Nevix
    nomy
    Super
    dhak
    Sleepy
    sinatraa
    Danteh
    Babybay

Los Angeles Valiant

  • SoOn
    Agilities
    Fate
    SPACE
    Verbo
    uNKOE
    GrimReality
    Numlocked
    Envy
    KariV
    silkthread

Boston Uprising

  • Striker
    Mistakes
    Gamsu
    Kalios
    Kellex
    Snow
    DreamKazper
    NotE

Shanghai Dragons

  • uNDeAD
    Diya
    Roshan
    Mg
    5King
    Freefeel (previously known as b612)
    Xushu (previously known as Luca)
    Alterning (previously known as 130)

Los Angeles Gladiators

  • Surefour
    Hydration
    Asher
    iReMix
    Bischu
    BigG00se
    Shaz
posted about a year ago

Maybe he'll serve a coaching role as it says Esca still is and will be part of KSV?

posted about a year ago

Wow, Blizzard is actually putting in a lot of effort into esport aspect of the game! This is great to know. I am excited to see how these features will look live.

posted about a year ago

I agree with HipiMan444 in that it's the difference in the top teams that makes the difference between KR and NA/EU.

As it is becoming more and more apparent, team coordination/focusing is so important in this game, and I think that's where the main difference comes from. For example, GC Busan is not successful because they have stellar individuals. I think there are plenty of NA and EU players as good as the players in GC Busan (although Profit is truly something else). GC Busan has really good team coordination. They know whom to focus right away, and all of the players dive altogether so well. This is probably why KR domination strengthened during the dive meta.
If this is the case, we might see the gap closing down overtime as teams will learn to focus well once they have good supporting staff to train them, and get to practice well with the teammates for a long time.

However, it might just be a cultural thing. Western culture tends to focus on individual performance, whereas Eastern culture tends to focus on cohesion within a team. That might be why Asian teams are thriving in games requiring good team coordination, like LoL and Overwatch, and Western teams are thriving in games where stellar individuals can make a huge difference, like most FPS games. If that is the case, Asian teams, especially KR teams, might continue to dominate as seen in LoL.

posted about a year ago

If he can play as well as he did in the spring season that is. Towards the end of the summer season, his performance dropped off noticeably. I hope he can come back to his prime form and make this team competitive.

posted about a year ago

Is Xushu good? I don't remember seeing him much on 1246. What does he normally play?

posted about a year ago

No LateYoung? No YangX1aoLg? No Creed? This roaster really does not look any stronger than the previous roster. I guess leave would be better than uNdeAD as he has been underwhelming, but that's about it.

posted about a year ago

Anyways, Afreeca looking strong again! Jin seems to be much better tank than Brek, which I think was the main problem of the team.

posted about a year ago

Yeah, this match just solidified my thought that the groups are so not balanced. All four teams on group A are better than everyone on group B except Afreeca.

posted about a year ago

Was Zonda this good before?? He seems to have improved a lot. If these two games are not just FW playing above their normal level, they might be able to challenge Ardeont in the next season!

posted about a year ago

Obviously A LOT of very talented players are missing from this list, and it doesn't seem like there are that many spots left.

If these rumors are true,
Where is

  • LiNkzr?
    Snillo?
    Davin?
    ChrisTFer?
    Tonic?
    fragi?
    FCTFCTN?
    SPACE?
    Smex?
    Zappis?
    neptuNo?
    BigGOOse?
    Boombox?
    Greyy?
    Shaz?

It seems like a lot of talented players from EU region are missing. Maybe OWL teams focused on players from NA region first since they wanted players with larger fan base in NA?
Seriously, I don't see anyone from Gigantti, 123, C9 EU, Singularity, or Gamers Origin. I can see Gigantii sticking with the current team and trying to enter next season as they already have a main sponsor, but I don't know what is happening with the other teams. Also, for the NA side, I don't think I see anyone from FaZe (except for the speculation about Carpe), which is odd.
I feel like a team made from these missing players would be stronger than most of the OWL teams.

posted about a year ago

He left the team after season 3 due to health issues. I heard he was offered a coaching position, but I don't think he is coaching any team currently.

posted about a year ago

Miraculous Youngster + a few Chinese stars would be really nice. Maybe guxue for stronger main tank and Jason for better Genji?

posted about a year ago

I would say GC Busan probably since RunAway without Haksal (due to age restriction) just would not be the same. But it might be easier to negotiate with RunAway since I know Runner has been actively looking for an OWL sponsor, whereas GC Busan already has good financial support. GC Busan might just wait for the next season and try to get in with another Korean city spot (like Busan).

posted about a year ago

This post is a collection of official and unofficial rumors about the OWL rosters, so it could be completely wrong. But I find it interesting to think about potential rosters for the OWL teams, so I figured I would start this thread here as well.
To look at confirmed rosters only, check remiska's thread (https://www.over.gg/5409/overwatch-league-teams).

Boston - Not official

  • NotE
    Gamsu
    DreamKazper
    Mistakes
    Snow
    Striker
    Fischer
    Architect and Kalios are rumored to be in negotiation

New York Excelsior - Not official - Signed LW Blue's whole roster

  • Mek0
    janus
    Mano
    Fl0w3r
    Saebyeolbe
    Pine
    JJoNak
    ArK
    Libero

London Spitfires - Signed KongDoo Panthera's whole roster. Cloud9's franchise.

  • Void
    Fissure
    birdring
    Rascal
    wakawaka
    Bdosin
    Quatermain
    Nus

Los Angeles - Immortal's franchise- Not all confirmed

  • Fate
    numlocked
    GrimReality
    Agilities
    SoOn
    Verbo
    Kariv
    uNKOE
    envy

Los Angeles Gladiators - Not Official

  • Bischu
    iRemix
    Surefour

Miami Mayhem - Not official - Misfits Roster

  • CWoosH
    TviQ
    Logix
    Zebbosai
    Zuppeh
    Manneten

San Francisco Shock - NRG's franchise

  • super
    nomy
    iddqd
    sinatraa
    sleepy
    dhaK
    babybay
    Danteh

Dallas Fuel - EnVyUs' franchise

  • cocco
    Taimou
    EFFECT
    Seagull
    chipshajen
    HarryHook
    Mickie

Houston - Not official - OpTic's franchise

  • coolmatt69
    Muma
    Clockwork
    Mendokusaii
    Boink
    Bani

Philadelphia - Unknown

  • Carpe is rumored to be in negotiation

Shanghai Dragons - Unknown

Seoul Dynasty - Signed Lunatic Hai's whole roster - Unconfirmed

  • Miro
    xepheR
    EscA
    Munchkin
    ryujehong
    tobi
    zunba
    Gido
    Fleta
    Wekeed is under trial

Other

  • One Korean team is rumored to be in negotiation with an OWL team
  • Boombox is in OWL, but it is not clear for which team yet

Sources:
http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/20954529/sources-immortals-sign-unkoe-soon-numlocked-la-overwatch-franchise
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/763cnx/overwatch_league_and_confirmed_teams_so_far/
http://www.inven.co.kr/mobile/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=4538&my=chu&p=1&l=3353113
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/76zwjp/all_owl_team_names_official_and_rumored/

posted about a year ago

I would've agreed with you about Lunatic Hai prior to Fleta and Munchikin addition. But now, I think they are a lot more flexible. It was just their DPS that wasn't flexible, but Fleta can pretty much play anything, and Munchikin can play any hitscan really well. I didn't watch a lot of Munchikin's game before, so I will still have to see whether he can play like yesterday consistently. But if he can, I would probably pick Lunatic Hai as #1 team now.

Lunatic Hai > C9-Kongdoo, EnVyUs, LW Blue > GC Busan, Miraculous Youngster > RunAway, Gigantti, Misfits >= FaZe

This is how I think top 10 in the world is now. I excluded NRG because I think it's unfair to include a team which I have not seen a single match from.

posted about a year ago

It all depends on how you rate these teams and players, so I will try to put things in perspective.

Underrated team:

  • C9 EU (>= FNRGFE, Rogue, 123)
    Yes, I know 123 4-0ed C9 EU, but I think that could be partly contributed to C9 EU not being in their best condition as they just found out that KDP will be replacing them in OWL. Also, mowzassa's aggressiveness works in their favor against weaker teams, but it often works against them when they are facing teams at similar or higher level. If they were just slightly more coordinated, they would've had better results.

  • Gigantti (only if you still think Misfits is better, I think Gigantti >= Misfits)
    Currently I think Gigantti is at similar level with Misfits, but I think they have more versatility to adapt their comp if needed. So in the long run, I think Gigantti roaster will have better chance than Misfits.

  • I thought about adding X6 here because I think they can be better than FNRGFE, Rogue, and 123. But TimeBoy is so inconsistent. BeBe and GILY are somewhat inconsistent as well. On their best day, they might even challenge RunAway, but because of their inconsistency, I wouldn't say they are underrated.

Overrated team:

  • FaZe Clan (Gigantti, Misfits, RunAway >= FaZe)
    Many people might disagree with this, but I think FaZe is a bit overrated. Don't get me wrong. I still think they are great, which is why I consistently said that they should be picked up by an OWL team. But they have some obvious weaknesses. Carpe is a beast when he is in form, but he's a bit inconsistent. ShaDowBurn is one of the best Genjis in the world, but not at top level with anything else. SPREE and Rawkus is good, but I don't think they are one of the top 10 players on their role.

  • Envision (Rogue > Envision = Immortals, Afreeca, MVP Space, ViCi Gaming, 1246)
    I think they got their surprise victory agaisnt Rogue because Rogue was complacent. Rogue didn't seem to be prepared for the match at all. Envision has decent players with decent coordination, but nothing spectacular.

  • Rogue (ONLY if you think they are better than FNRGFE, I think FNRGFE >= Rogue > Envision = Immortals)
    Rogue has players who are one of the best at what they do well. But their narrow hero pool has limited their ability to overcome the situations when they are being countered.

Underrated player:

  • Arhan (>=Fleta)
    He is better Genji and Tracer than Fleta, and he is at similar level on all other DPS heroes (except Pharah).

  • YangX1aoLg (>=Sayaplayer, Carpe)
    He is one of the main reasons why MY is so successful. His current form on hitscan heroes are better than Saya and Carpe imo.

  • GodsB (= Carpe)
    He is better than Carpe on hitscan, but not as good on Tracer. I think he is one of the best DPS on hitscan role.

  • Profit (Logix => Profit > Snillo, Davin)
    His Tracer is almost as good as Logix

  • Greyy (One of top 5 flex heals in the world)
  • Shaz (One of top 10 flex heals in the world)
  • Neko (One of top 5 Anas in the world)
  • Bani (Definately good enough to be in an OWL team)

Overrated player:

  • Bdosin
    He is the weak link in C9 Kongdoo. Everyone in C9-KD plays so aggresively and that is why C9-KD often completely destroys the teams that are weaker than them. But for the aggressive dive to work against similarly good teams, they need massive healing from their supports. But instead, Bdosin takes aggresive positions to get additional kills. If C9-KD has supports like chipshajen or Neko who focuses more on healing, C9-KD will undoubtely be one of the best teams in the OWL.

  • Mowzassa
    He is a decent tank, but often does not know when to retreat. His aggressiveness more often paid off than not in Contenders level, but at higher level of play, I think he will often be a burden to a team.
posted about a year ago

Xepher is pretty weird addition. Anything Xepher can do, Zunba can do way better. In addition, Xepher has bad reputation in Korea by accusing Geguri as an aim hack user and swearing that he would quit pro if his accusation turns out to be false.

posted about a year ago

I wonder how the groups are drawn because it looks like Group A is pretty stacked compared to Group B.
I think ViCi, Envision, MVP, and Afreeca are the four strongest teams in the group stage, and three of them are in group A. Also, I think Blank and ahq are the weakest, and both of them are in Group B.

posted about a year ago

I'm not entirely sure how this will go because I do not know how good Chayne is. If he can play as well as numlocked, I think this will most likely be 2-0 by eV, possibly 2-1.

posted about a year ago

This match can really go either way imo. Yaki is good, but not top level. OneFact only really shined with Doomfist, and even for that, he didn't get to show whether he can still shine with the nerfed version. Undine and Fuze are great, but the tanks are average. We will see whether MVP Space still has what it takes to be one of the strongest in APEX next season

posted about a year ago

I agree. I think GC Busan, Gigantti, and Miraculous Youngster are the teams that are strong enough to compete in the OWL. FaZe is also pretty strong but needs some new members to fill in their weakness to compete with the top teams. RunAway, X6, Afreeca, Rogue, C9-EU, and 123 would be great starting place to build a team around.

Realistically speaking though, I don't think GC Busan will be picked up because their prowess was only recently shown, and I think most of the teams are finishing up their roasters now. If GC Busan can continue to show their strength in the next season of APEX, I certainly hope to see them getting picked up. If somebody can buy Busan spot and sign GC Busan? That would just be amazing.

For Gigantti, Miraculous Younster, and FaZe, I would be confused if most of them are not already picked up. For Rogue, C9-EU, and 123, I hope to see most of them picked up as well. For other Korean teams though, I don't think it is likely to see a lot of them, probably just a few star players.

posted about a year ago

I still cannot believe this happened. How? I felt like everyone on C9-KD was top class (maybe except Bdosin). I really hope we get to see GC Busan in the OWL. If we don't get to see them in Season 1, I hope someone buy Busan spot and sign GC Busan. That would be really awesome. I wasn't convinced by GC Busan defeating LH twice, but this match really showed me that GC Busan is actually crazy good.

posted about a year ago

Semi-Final

C9 Kongdoo 4 : 1 GC Busan

RunAway 4 : 2 NC Foxes

Bronze Final

GC Busan 4 : 1 NC Foxes

Grand Final

C9 Kongdoo 4 : 2 RunAway

posted about a year ago

4-1 or 4-2 by C9-Kongdoo

Although everyone on GC Busan is really good, I think C9-Kongdoo is better. As long as they start with typical starting line-up (Birdring,Rascal,Fissure,Void,Wakawaka,Bdosin), Kongdoo will take the match.

posted about a year ago

Which is exactly why I hoped LH to pick up Libero. But it seems like NY is the one who got him. I don't know what NY will do once Flow3r joins in March. They have four top DPS (SBB, Flow3r, Libero, and Pine). Libero can flex tank, but MekO is quite good, so I doubt they would use Libero for that. Pine can flex heal as well, but then again, JJonak is really good.

posted about a year ago

I think coach of GC Busan deserves as much praise as the players. I think the main reason GC Busan was able to play so well against LH both games was because they knew exactly how to take advantage of LH's weakness.
We all know LH's DPS isn't the best, and that has been the problem LH suffered with. But in the match against X6, LH showed that they can somewhat overcome it by letting the DPS to play what they are best at (Whoru on Genji and Gido on Tracer). However, GC Busan was well-prepared to counter that by playing Soldier/Tracer. When LH rushed in, Hooreg placed biotic field, and GC Busan just fought on it. When Whoru changed to Junkrat, GC Busan played Pharah to counter that.

But because of this exact reason, I do not see GC Busan defeating C9-Kongdoo. Birdring/Rascal have giant hero pool and good at pretty much any DPS heroes. Because of this flexibility, it's very difficult to find any obvious weakness of them. I think this is similar reason why GC Busan had harder time with RunAway. RunAway is way more flexible team than LH.

LH needs to get top level hit scan player if they don't want to face the same difficulty again in the OWL.

posted about a year ago
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